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Hey, Philip. Welcome to Conan O'Brien needs a fan.

Hey, you guys. Hey, Philip. How are you? I'm doing well. How are you? I'm just gonna comment right away and I encourage our listeners to watch the video. You've got one of the most neatly curated beards I've seen in my life. I mean, it's incredible. I feel like you had a jeweler come in and maintain your beard. Yes. Impressive, very impressive. Phillip, tell us a little bit about yourself. Where do you live? Where are you coming to us from right now?

So I live in the Williamsburg, Virginia area. So Colonial Williamsburg, if you've ever been here, Right in that area, Eastern Virginia. So, yeah, this is what I live at. And tell us about yourself. What makes you tick, Philip? All right. Well, I grew up in this area, so I've always been a huge fan of history. Yep. So, love history. I live here. I'm married to my wife, Karen. She's a high school math teacher. I have two teenage boys. We love being outside, whether it's in the woods, hiking, boating, whatever it may be. So that's that's kind of our world.

OK, I feel like this is a dating app now. And I like you swipe right if you're interested or left. Right, right, right. You swipe right. If you're really interested, you swipe up for a super swipe.

Get out.

Yeah, that's right. I just swiped you up, Philip. Yeah, because you like history, which I which I love. Now, I see in my notes here, it says you're a relic hunter. I don't really know much about that. What do you do?

So it's a hobby. So relic hunting, it's kind of like using a metal detector to go out and find old things.

Oh, okay. You go out looking for... Well, I guess if you're in Williamsburg, Virginia, you've got lots of stuff. I mean, mostly there's probably Civil War stuff, and there's probably also Revolutionary War. What else? Absolutely. I mean, that sounds like you had hit pay dirt. Go ahead.

Yeah. So growing up in this area, it was sort of all around me. I live right between Jamestown, Colonial Williamsburg, Yorktown, Cold Harbor, all the battles outside of Richmond area. So I kind of grew up right at the epicenter of that sort of history.

And so what are you finding when you got your metal detector? What are the things you're pulling out of the ground that are exciting to you?

um also we find bullets civil war bullets american revolutionary uh bullets um uh we find buckles sometimes old cannonballs and artillery shells and buttons and coins and all sorts of

things what's one of the coolest things you ever found like you pulled it out of the ground and

you thought this is awesome um one of the coolest things i found was uh a posy ring it's called a colonial posy ring is the name of it it's a gold ring that uh they would have a young man would have shared with a a young woman uh back in colonial times and when i first found it i thought it was just simply just i'm not sure what it was and then when i got home and cleaned it up i realized what it was and uh inside of it it has some old gothic script uh i think it says i choose the um i actually have some stuff over here i have it so cool that's that's amazing So, let's see.

I don't know how well you can see that. And now, I swiped up and now you're proposing to me.

That's right.

That's how things happen on this. This is one fast app. That is so cool and poignant and sad and sweet at the same time, you know?

Yeah. Well, I mean, I found it in a field. And so oftentimes, you know, people got married much younger during those times than they do today. And so it was much smaller and probably as she got older. She would wear it as a necklace or a charm and it fell off at some point and laid there for probably 200 years until one day I dug it out of the ground.

Right. Oh, my God. And does her ghost haunt you now?

No, no.

That's what I would worry about when I pull something out of the ground is eventually the ghost or zombie would come looking for it.

Zombie.

And it says here you once found a live grenade.

Yeah. Yeah, so you find all sorts of things. Did the grenade say, I choose thee? No, it did not, fortunately. The one thing I would say, there's a sort of a...

You're so proud of yourself. Yes, yes.

Sorry, sorry.

It's whatever, it's what I do. It's what I do. Nice ceiling there, Michelangelo. That's what I do. That's what I do. Sorry. So what happens when you find a live grenade? Don't you have to call the police?

uh yes you do um when you're digging you find all sorts of stuff and one of the things i would say is most of the stuff you find when you go hunting or relic hunting is trash you find shotgun shells and beer cans and more beer cans and anything metal you can think of that's been in the ground for a long time so you don't you don't most of what you find is not worth keeping right um it's not civil war or american revolution but this particular day i i dug a hole and pulled out of the ground. I wasn't sure what it was at first and realized quickly. We live, if you know anything about the Hampton Roads area, that's a lot of military bases that have been in this area for a very long time and realized pretty quickly what it was and moved it. I don't know. I sort of got told I shouldn't have done this later. I picked it up and moved it to a tree line and stuck it next to a tree. I don't know why I did that, but I did. You started juggling it.

Kicking it like a hacky sack?

Yeah, you kicked it like a hacky sack for 20 minutes. Yes, yes. While you were listening to a Phish album. There you go. You okay there, Sona? I'm laughing pretty hard. Sona, when you laugh, don't move away from the mic. Get those laughs right in there. I work hard for those.

For the record, let me just say it. Sona has the best laugh.

She does have the best laugh.

She has the best laugh. But Philip, you know what drives me?

Because I'm just gonna say this. Philip, this drives me crazy.

Wait, let him continue.

What I'm saying is I'll get, I'll say something, she'll laugh real hard and she does this, she fades away from the mic. And I'm like, those are my laughs.

Give me my milk, mama. You're hearing, wow. What was that?

That's sweet milk to me.

You hear them, you want other people to know I'm laughing at you, that's what that is.

With me, with me, not at me. Anyway, Phillip, we got off on this sidetrack thing.

No, I was talking about Sona's laugh. Yeah, let's continue with that. Yeah, let's get off the Civil War stuff. Let me just say, okay, I know. I could hear you, Sona, before they called me in the room and they told you guys it was a Civil War relic hunter and you were like, oh, I knew that was going to happen with you. But that's okay. Because I wanted to, no, but my goal was that you would laugh at some point. Because you guys, real quick, we're going to get off the relic hunting stuff for a moment. I listen to you guys all the time in the car on the XM radio. So I listen to you guys, there you go, a little plug for XM. I listen to you guys, so you guys are the voices in my car. and so we've talked about Sona has the best laugh

you know what I will agree you have the best laugh Sona you've always had the best laugh and I considered you one of the treasures I pulled out of the ground

does that work as a compliment it was so close it was almost close

when I met you you were dirty

yes I get it you know that right I get what you tell people I like jumped out of a bush like a feral

you had soil on yeah maybe the first year of me knowing you was me brushing you clean

oh that's so sweet Thank you so much. Thanks for making me human.

But she had a great laugh.

I was the live grenade. You picked that up. You were, in a way.

But wait, back to the grenade. Yeah. What vintage is the grenade? Is it, it's not a, don't tell me it's a war. Oh, good. Okay.

Korean War air grenade is what I found out later. And so, again, set it next to this tree. Knew, I'd spent over 20 years in the fire department. These sort of things happen in this area, again, because of all the military bases. so i knew what needed to be done so i called called it in uh they there's a lot of the military base nearby us uh sent their their bomb technicians over who examined it and quickly determined that it was a live grenade and that

that it was actually the pen had been pulled out of it and thrown. But I guess somehow it hit just right. It never exploded. And I moved it with a shovel. Oh, my God. And so the guys were not, they were like, you moved that? You should have never moved that. And but what was really cool, I mean, these guys got out of the truck. They look like they were extras in a military movie. I mean, tall, the mustache, the whole deal. And they go over and they basically put a thing of C4 and sandbags around it. and I have a video of it. They blew it up? They did the whole fire in the hole. Yeah, they did fire in the hole, fire in the hole, fire hole and blew it up. And I asked him where the little wire was that went from the C4 to the little like explosive thing. And he goes, no, we do that all by Bluetooth now. And so they blew it up with their phone.

Oh my God, that's not that cool.

No, but no, it is cool. It sounds dangerous to me. Like I'm there setting up my C4 and I'm packing it around the object I want to blow up when someone near me accesses a song on bluetooth and my half my face gets blown off because they wanted to listen to fish yeah whatever you know fish just because david needed to hear hillary up i have to die hey some things are worth it i want to talk about mother's day you came to mind you're a mom i'm a mom i'm the uh godfather to your two boys yep maybe the most important adult figure in their lives oh okay i don't remember there being a godfather's day well it's a good it's a good point there should be but that's Not what I want to talk about. David and I wanted to get you something. And so I thought, hey, you know, we're big fans of Macy's. And Macy's online gift guide has some great ideas. And so I asked David to check that out and come up with some notions for you.

Well, that's really nice. Thank you, David. Of course. And I think you're going to be really happy. Well, thank you, David. I mean, he did the legwork.

My money. And you're going to be happy because we didn't get you just one thing or two. We got you three things for Mother's Day. This is pretty nice.

Hey, all right. Yeah, I was afraid. That's really nice. Thank you, David.

I'm afraid this would spoil you getting three things because next year you'll be like,

no, I want four. But anyway, David. All right, if I can have your attention to the screen, the first thing for Mother's Day, we got you a Michael Kors Molita Large Hobo Shoulder Bag. Michael Kors, you know, that's good stuff. Yeah, I like hobo stuff too. I feel like you need a big bag. I do, I do. You have a lot of things to carry.

And also, Sona likes to go to a restaurant and maybe take a few rolls or a dessert and sometimes a salt and pepper shaker. That'll fit nicely into this Michael Kors bag. Next up, we have the Oracle Jet Automatic Espresso Machine by Breville.

That is nice.

Breville, a great machine. And look at that thing. It's gorgeous.

You can make any coffee you want. You're cool with this? Because this is $2,000.

He's cool with it. I have the card. He's cool with it. Thank you. Thank you so much. I didn't know it was that much. But I don't mean to say that much because that's Breville. That's quality stuff.

Yeah, that is good stuff. I don't even drink coffee, but I just want it.

Well, also, wouldn't that look cool on your counter?

It would. I love it.

And also, doesn't your husband, doesn't Tack drink coffee?

He does, but he doesn't drink like fancy coffee.

Until now. Until now. And the third thing, we got you a Mezzed's 10.1 inch digital calendar and photo frame.

Yeah, he asked me how big should it be. And I said, do they have 10.1 inches? And he said, actually, they do.

That's so specific. And now you can sync, you know, Conan's calendar if you want to know what he's up to.

If you want to know what I'm up to, which you don't seem that interested in these days. Not at all. And I still employ you. It's weird.

And I still have access to all that information. I just choose not to look at it.

These are great gifts. These are all for you for Mother's Day.

Well, thank you very much.

Or does she choose one?

No, we said all three.

Thank you, David. I kind of think next time,

I didn't say yes to all three. You didn't give a lot of parameters. I really didn't, but you could use common sense. That's always the best parameter.

Sona means so much to you, and it's Mother's Day.

Sona, I want you to have these. Oh, thank you, Conan. And a big thanks to Macy's. They've got this great online gift guide. And David, thanks to you for doing what I probably should have done on my own.

Yeah.

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That's how you like it?

I don't know. I just like it.

You just want a company car?

Kind of. It's just going to be fun. And you get to see stuff blow up, which would be fun.

Yeah. I don't think that ever gets old.

How do you do, because how do you even know where to look? How do you do, I imagine there's some kind of research involved in finding out what's a good place to try and find relics? What will be fruitful? Because you can't just wander around a big state like Virginia hoping that the thing that sets off your metal detector is a Civil War

heirloom. You have to do some research, I would think, right? Yeah, that's over half of it is just spending the time to study. It's really dorky, but it's a ton of fun. But just look at old maps in history and uh library of congress has maps that you can access online so you're looking at those and then figuring out where you can go but then uh getting permission to go to those places obviously you can't go to any national parks or state parks or anything like that so it's it's finding private property farmers people that own land that you ask permission can i come on your property and dig holes um and can i can i search for search for for relics for for old things that might be on your property and a lot of times they'll say no and sometimes they'll

say yeah okay and do they have a deal like if you find something valuable they get to

they want to keep it sometimes it sort of depends uh some of them most of them actually don't really care they you know what i've run into is they just kind of go i don't really care

I'm not you know that's your thing it's not my thing so whatever you find there's others who have said hey I'd really like to see what you find and then there's others you can maybe work a deal with and go hey let's split whatever whatever it is we find I'm intrigued there's

part of me that would want to go around and fool guys like you like drop things in the ground do know what I mean go out and buy you know uh go and buy like a what looks like a knight's helmet and then drop it in a hole and then hide in a bush and and watch you guys come by and think that you've found oh my god king arthur's court they hung out here in williamsburg virginia i know that's a bad thing i'm admitting to but no there's people that do that no really

no there's a guy no there's a guy here locally uh who is like been known for decades as one of the best replica makers of civil war buckles and things like that right and if he made one that wasn't quite perfect he is was known to go in the cold harbor area and bury it and hide it and people would find it and lose their minds oh fantastic i love this i'm sorry you like i love this guy

yeah i will hey can this guy contact me i will fund your operation yes yes gary you know i would You'd be drawing up like a fake Gettysburg address and then dropping it in a hole.

Oh.

You know, stuff like that. A fake Lincoln's beard and a note that says, if you find my beard, contact A. Lincoln, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Just, I would want to see people freak out.

1600, was he, he didn't live in the White House. Did he live in the White House? Lincoln? Yeah.

Yeah, the White House was there.

Who is the first person to live in the White House?

Good question, Thomas Jefferson.

Oh, okay, I didn't know that.

um so no there's a lincoln bedroom it's like what the most famous room i knew that i just thought

it was i'm sorry i was i wasn't sure it's true you thought he lived in a split level condo

in recita california yeah i saw him at the hot tub the other day the communal hot tub sorry yeah i like learning see i asked questions i'm curious um yeah uh this is i mean this is fascinating to me i just there's a because whenever you examine something you find out that it's a whole ecosystem there are probably really good um you know artifact hunters but they're also probably ones that give you guys a bad name do you know what i mean that break some of the rules i imagine yeah well i mean it's like any other oh you just got so much behind that yeah you got mad yeah so much behind that well no name names don't name names no i

mean they're just like any other niche or subculture there's etiquette and there are people that that hold to that etiquette and do it respectfully and there's others that just simply

don't what is the etiquette of uh you know treasure hunting like this well one of the

things would be uh just if you dig holes you cover holes um and you'd be just surprised how many people will dig holes in somebody's yard and just leave them which if they have animals like horses and livestock they could step in it and get hurt yeah terrible um what yeah and so

that didn't feel sincere no i meant that's bad that's bad okay sincere no my rule if man my rule number one is cover your hole you know i've always i've said that since day one and when i meet a guy that doesn't cover his hole i'm out i'm like cover that hole cover the hole yeah and then every now and then etiquette yeah i say that all the time in my regular life and i'm rare guess what i'm I'm rarely outside when I say it. Hey dude, cover your hole. I'll cover my hole, you cover your hole. I've heard it on the podcast before. I don't like it when someone covers my hole. That's where I draw the line. Come on. Don't cover my hole. If I said you can't cover my hole, don't cover my hole.

You cover my hole, I'll cover your hole.

How much more do you think I can go on this?

I don't know, but it needs to stop. I don't think it does.

I think it needs to go more.

I think it's just stop.

Yeah. Oh my God.

Oh my God, never heard you say hole so many times.

Well, I'm just saying, cover your hole. That is the rule, that is the rule. Guess what, guess what, Philip, people here are laughing and acting like it's a joke, but it is the rule and it's a simple rule to live by, cover your fucking hole. You know what I mean? Or I'll come over there and cover it for you, you know what I'm saying? I've got a hole cover in my pocket. It's a little brass plate. So, you cover the hole. You know what I love? I love that you just said, so. My favorite thing about this whole interview is Philip finally going, so. And you think you're going to get away from the topic, and then you said, you've got to cover your hole. So, you brought us right back.

Can we also talk about what else he does, which is he's also a preacher?

I spent over 20 years in a fire station. There is little of these years have not heard.

You got to cover your soul.

You gotta cover your soul. And if you don't cover your soul, I'll come and get a preacher to cover your soul. So you live by two rules, cover your hole and cover your soul. These are the rules that Philip lives by. And then he was a fire chief.

Yeah.

Listen, we'll get to that. We've got a lot to get, you know, we've got a lot to cover here. It's just, yeah, we really do. Preacher. So I hope I didn't offend you with my cover your hole run, but I think it can be taken many different ways. And so I'm not worried about it. And what is your religious denominational acceleration?

Non-denominational process.

Non-denominational. Got it. Very good. You accept all kinds. All kinds. I'd be welcome as a Catholic. You would be welcome. Okay. Absolutely. I like that. I like it. Very accepting. Absolutely. And how long have you been preaching for?

12 years? I think it is, 13 years, something like that.

And before that, you were a firefighter.

I was bivocational for a while. I worked in the fire service and I worked at a church simultaneously and did that for a period of time. And then as the church grew, it was a church plant, so it started from scratch. And as things grew, then I was full-time here as the preacher.

You seem like you'd be a good preacher. You seem like someone that would be very understanding, accepting, a cool guy, good sense of humor. I think you'd be very good at that.

I hope so. I will tell you this. I grew up and my dad did not go to church very often. And one of his biggest things was he was like he'd meet preachers and he would go, that preacher doesn't know anything about real life. He doesn't know anything about me. he doesn't understand anything because they live in his little world he just reads the bible all day and sits in his office and sings hymns or whatever and uh and so i was determined from the beginning that i wouldn't be that guy yeah and that's one of the reasons why between the fire service and just real life just to just be a regular just a regular dude just a regular guy regular dude out there digging up grenades i get it man it is not it's not the sexiest uh hobby i I love it.

It's actually pretty cool. I think it sounds great. I'm sorry you heard me make that voice. That's not what I meant at all. I thought it was just more like Conan's going to geek out over it.

She was mocking me for being a Civil War history geek.

No, that's the typical response I get whenever anyone finds out that I dig holes and find old stuff. So I completely, it's the reaction I get from my wife when I bring stuff home. And there's mud and I bring it in the kitchen and I'm cleaning stuff up that I found. and I'm dorking out over it and my wife's just like, could you, uh-huh, uh-huh, could you just please get that out of the kitchen? So I get it. It does not offend me at all.

Oh, good. I mean, I just know Conan was going to get really excited about it. I am excited about it. And I feel like you want to go out with Phillip and like dig holes in Virginia. I do.

I tell you what, you come to Eastern Virginia, I got another metal detector, we will go out and dig holes. We'll find something cool. And we'll cover him. We'll cover him up. And we will make sure that every single one of them is covered. Gotta cover him up. We'll make sure that Every single one of them is covered, that's right.

No one plugs a hole like me. All right, I think we broke it. Phillip, it was lovely talking to you. By the way, when this airs, you will no longer be a preacher. So you need to find yet another vocation because that is over. When our little who's on first routine plays. But it was really nice talking to you and I'll see you on down the road, sir.

Hey, man, I really appreciate the time. Of course. It's good to see you guys. Seriously, I listen to you guys all the time. Thanks for listening to us. I apologize you since I was in college, so thanks for just taking the few minutes just to hang out and let me talk.

This was a joy for us, seriously. Really fun talking to you, sir. I appreciate it. All right, take care, Philip. Bye-bye. You'll take care. Thanks a lot. Bye.

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