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Hi, my name is Olivia Munn. Is that how you pronounce it? Yeah, mine. And I feel so excited and amazed about being Conan O'Brien's friend. That's so sweet. Yeah.

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Hey, everybody. Welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend. This is a very good day because I'm joined, of course, by Sonam Obsessian. Yes. But today marks the return, the heroic return of our good friend and associate, Matt Gourley. Come on, guys. I like the heroic part just fine. We've missed you. Seriously. I've missed you guys. we've missed you and just to update everybody you've been on a paternity leave for no i i only i only bring it up because i think it's a world record it says you know uh no um your daughter was born i believe eight years ago she's a freshman in college oh how's she doing oh she's great she's great uh no you've been out for a little while you've been out for a couple of

months i did i took a little extended one and it was the greatest thing it was fantastic i mean i missed you guys i did but man well how's it going bring us up to date it's going really well i was able to spend a lot of time with my older daughter which you know was kind of magical and then my youngest daughter has just fit right in and uh you know not to get too sentimental but you sometimes when you have those moments in your life that you know to be the best moments but you only know it after they're done. This was one I could tell when I was in that it was just amazing. It's really nice.

I'm happy that you had that. And also resentful that you took so much time. Let me tell you something.

Well, part of the happiness was I wasn't here. Exactly.

When my daughter was born, I took 20 minutes. And when my son was born, I took four. Now, let me also just add to that. I'm a terrible father and an awful human being. So yes, am I saying this is the way to go?

You could have asked for some time.

I could have asked for some time. That was on me. I think I took a commercial break. We were doing the late night show.

The best part is he didn't even have to ask for time. He could have just told people he was taking time. Yeah, exactly. I know.

I want to say something, though, about your paternity leave real quick. It feels like you kept releasing other podcast episodes. Yes, thank you. It feels like you took a break only from us. Yes, I didn't. And you were still doing all your other podcasts.

I recorded those all before the baby was born. Not true. True story. You can hear two kids crying in the background, unless one of them is your wife having a nervous breakdown. And you often referred to the day's news as you were- I held up a newspaper during each recording. Yeah, as you were hosting Wall Walken, you were, you know, I mean, first of all- Wall Walken! You- We might do Baby Walken. Oh. No, listen, I understand those are more, those are priority shows. I didn't record them!

all i did was watch world war ii movies and dirty hairy movies with my baby while i held her i think

that's the best thing for a little baby girl to be hearing he was into it make my day punk and um lots of people getting blowed up it was a great thing for a little forming brain it was heaven for me as that fontanelle is starting to seal it was pulsing it's

All the way we're watching. Yeah.

It's crazy. All right. I have some questions. Yeah. How is your, your youngest daughter's name is.

You're talking about Nell the Smell?

Oh, I thought it was, I thought you were going to go. So Nell. Nell, yeah.

How is Nell different? She is night and day different than my first daughter. My first daughter is this wonderful tempest, like just so funny, so crazy. Nell just came out, smile. Every time you see her, just a big smile. She just sits there. She's a wonderful little lump on the log. So we got one of each, which kind of magnifies their differences in such a wonderful way. I don't know. It's I just feel great. I feel lucky. Yeah. Yeah.

And first of all, you have you came in. You seem seem very happy. You've got that kind of doesn't he not have a glow?

You do have a glow.

Well, I birthed the children. Oh, did you now? It's the most part of glow.

Yeah.

That sounds fun.

Yeah. That's why he had such a long paternity leave. Yes. He's sorry, Matt. You can edit this out if you want to. but he did say when we were sitting around earlier he did say that I forget how he phrased it this time around he gained a little more weight than the first time and we were like for your pregnancies or I was trying to explain and now you're going to make me

I'm not going to make fun of you because I want to hear about how your body changed I want to hear about this I'm glad Adam brought this in because you're a big fat fuck now I mean you're listening you're all listening but when you waddled in today

I didn't put on 10 pounds Isn't that crazy?

You waddled in.

10. Hello. Oh, no. I think. I don't know.

I have read somewhere that. Oh, you're still going down this road. Go ahead. I want to hear it. I hate to do this because what if this is just bullshit? All right. But that there is this evolutionary sort of process to men in postpartum that they lose testosterone temporarily. And it's a kind of thing to keep them historically tied to the mother and child. From straying. yeah from straying and and it's a kind of thing that that has uh evolved over time and the survival of those fittest people because the father was there with the child and the mother

so you're so so i'm so i'm curious how does this relate to you well that there can be some

sympathy weight gained because of the loss of testosterone you also walked in he's got huge

breasts now you have huge lactating breasts and you're a big fat fuck and i don't mean either

of those in a derogatory way no no no no big fat fuck with titties um but when you waddled

when you waddled in waddled in here wearing uh his uh his d-cup i was i did come in i'm ready yeah yeah uh but but you gained some weight but you you still look good thanks um i don't feel good. Do you think, do you feel like your testosterone levels had dropped? You mean,

am I out there just hounding it? Hounding it? Is it pounding it though? No, I tend to hound. Okay. All right. Hounding it. Hounding his creditors for more time. Yeah, that's what I

mean. Yeah. Oh, I'm hounding it. All right. You're doing what? I don't, I think so. I mean, i've been certainly been like a sentimental mess in a in a sort of like good way yeah just every single thing knocks me down in a like kind of sweet way that's nice well i said i don't think

i've ever had no i was gonna say did you do you feel like your testosterone dipped no well first

of all no after your kids were born i'm not no but you know my my uh my mother-in-law pam god rest her soul. She did say, I remembered once sort of talking about how I think I've grown wiser over the years. I'm not as intense as I used to be. I was very focused and very driven in my twenties and thirties and forties. And I said, I think I'm maturing. And she just, you know, she was an expert in these matters. And she just said, um, no, no, no, your testosterone level has dropped. Like I was trying to credit it all to wisdom. And she was like, no, no, you just have less of that, you know, asshole juice running through your body.

See, I went through a male pregnancy. He went through menopause.

Yeah. Oh, that's true. Oh, I did. I did. Yeah.

Oh, that's nice.

Yeah. I don't think that I got the sentimentality. I'm waiting for that part. You know, I don't get all mushy. You don't really ever?

I do. When it comes to your kids, especially.

No, just when I see old clips of late night.

Oh.

I'm like, ah, look at him with Al Roker. 1994. Al Roker. No, no, I do. Always Al Roker. I do. Yeah, yeah, I know. Well, I'm just saying stuff, but I think, uh, but yeah, I am very, first of all, very glad you're back because you are a very important voice here on this show, as you know, and I say that, uh, with, with no ridicule or jokes attached to it or seriousness or serious.

or real honesty. No, but we're really happy. I'm so glad to be back. I did miss you guys. I edited the show while I was gone. So it was really interesting to hear you guys kind of feel like I was there in a one way sort of way where it was just coming at me.

Were you ever coming in with your panted crips but then realizing that you were just listening to us and you couldn't participate?

Of course. And I don't have any actual cash with me, but I'm making a hundred dollar bill that I would like to send to Eduardo for his little bitch put you in your place.

Yay. That's great.

Well, that was an iconic moment in the podcast. It was. When Eduardo called me a little bitch. And you know what? Some people say our country is terribly divided. Unified the country. Yeah. Everyone. I don't care if you're a red state, blue state, you know, Trumper, never Trumper. Everyone said, yes, that guy's a little bitch.

Yeah.

It was a beautiful moment.

It was a really sweet, definitely sweet moment.

Everybody in the country listening to little bitch and big fat fuck with them titties.

drive time radio yeah we bring people together yeah uh with our special brand of the truth

can we uh give a very special thank you to david hopping for having covered for corals

david was fantastic because i edited and i i at a time was just like oh they don't they don't need me he's great you know what i mean no we need you no he was great i won't have uh i mean david i

can take in small doses and you know i love david yeah but he works hillary duff into every conversation and um and i listen i i like hillary duff i'd gladly have her here on the pod yes uh yeah whenever we clear up whatever legal thing we have between us um but uh but yeah he is so

obsessed with hillary duff can i just shout out in all honesty my wife who who did all the work obviously for uh for all of us she's been amazing and so amanda the two girls yeah yeah amanda uh

Your wife, very beautiful, very talented. You're a lucky man. I am. Man, you're lucky. Yeah. Okay, well, hold on. Jesus Christ, you got lucked out. Oh, my God. Well, I'm just saying.

It's kind of creepy the way you're saying it.

I'm just saying. When he said, oh, you got to meet my wife. It's also a little diminishing. When he said, you got to meet my wife, I thought it was going to be like a broom with a face painted on it. Her name's Amanda. Say hi, Amanda. Hello. I mean, come on. Gourley's wife. That's fair. And this total smoke show comes walking in. she's gorgeous

the same could be said for you too I mean both of you are really punching up

yes I mean

no offense but oh my god are you punching up both of you Jesus Christ people think that Liza

you know that Liza visited me in the hospital what do you mean they just think some total accident happened and that's how I got this woman you know like she was there and then accidentally got married

she had amnesia and you came in and went I'm your husband

yeah exactly thank god I found you yeah and you think i'm handsome uh no uh yes we're both very lucky men yes you are and you know so

as a lucky fella you're a husband tactikisian yeah i can't believe i'm saying tactikisian now tack tack tack you don't even know his last name do you no it's beroian yeah it's tactikisian it's

not tactikisian oh yeah anyway uh this is getting really nice and everything so i just want to get us back to ground zero yeah okay please do you suck you were way too long i'm fat yeah and you're You're a fat fuck. You're a fat guy. Yeah. You got to lose the weight. Yeah. With your titties. Your husband's name's Tacticizian. You're way too loud and you don't help me as much as you should.

Where did that come from? Why? And I think we're all.

And you're still a little bitch.

You're still a little bitch. No. One, two, three. Little bitch. Oh, I can't. No, I can't. I honestly. I can't do it.

Why does it feel so right?

I can't do it. You can't do it? I honestly could not do it. Why not? I don't know.

You've called me everything. You actually called me a little bitch before.

I'm sure I have. I've called you a dick, an asshole, but I don't know why a little bitch hurts.

Is it because you're afraid you're like job security?

No. I think I just, I feel like it's too far.

You think Eduardo went too far?

No, I don't think he went too far. I think I would go too far. And I think it's because I was your assistant for so long. Really? And I wouldn't want to. I've never seen this. Isn't that weird? I know. I don't know.

Wait a minute. You have some tiny bit of professional fear of me.

I kind of do. Yes, that's incredible. I do. I mean, when he said it, everybody else was laughing. And I was like, oh my God, Eduardo.

Eduardo was scared. He went home. He was really terrified that it was over. Yeah, I feel good about it now. And then you remembered who I am. Also, you probably went home thinking, it could be over for me, but if it is, totally worth it. What a way to go. Anyone in the country would have hired you. uh well super happy to have you back yep um and we've reunited as you know probably the there's isn't there a movie where they there's different stone

and they got to put them in the glove. Yeah, the Shankar stones of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom? Sure.

Are you talking about Thanos and the Avengers?

I just knew that. No, we're talking about Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

I don't know. There's a lot of stones that need to come together.

Also, next week, I'm back on paternity leave.

All right. You know my guest today from the TV show The Newsroom and the film X-Men Apocalypse. Now you can see her in the Apple TV Plus series, Your Friends and Neighbors. Very delighted to have her here today. Olivia Munn, welcome.

John and I talked about this before, like growing up, it's like to even think that you'd become Conan O'Brien's friend, let alone like sitting here talking with you is like such a it's a really hard thing to go back and be like, hey, like one day you'll be friends with Conan O'Brien. It's kind of it's very surreal.

Well, that's a very nice thing to say. Spend a little time with him. Yeah, you'll see very quickly. I think in 10 minutes, you'll want out. You'll want out very badly. But, you know, I'm so happy you're here. And we were chatting just before we came in here to do the pod. I call it pod because there's not time to say podcast.

Okay, you saved a lot of time with doing that.

I did. And we should stop now. But we were chatting and you were just talking about how, which I can relate to and I think you can relate to, Matt. But you're tired. you're tired because you're you've been taking care of your kids and you just said i am so tired and i said trust me this podcast today is going to be your time out but you're going through the

same thing yeah newborn i gotta what yeah i'm i mean she's great she's one what do i do do i talk

to her that's right this is your first i'm still waking this is his first day back since a maternity leave the children are now in their 30s he's been gone for a really long time yeah but um And I think too long, but we'll figure it out later. HR tells me I'm not allowed to bring it up, but you're tired. You are exhausted.

I am pretty tired. I'm really tired. I was like, as I was coming in, John was like, have fun on Conan. I was like, I'm so tired. But I'm so excited to be here because I was saying like, they're four in 19 months. And this crazy thing is that like when everyone's there and like we're happy to help and be there to help. My mom is there to help too. and my stepdad like we want to be in the mess you know just be in it with them and the the problem is is that just leaves us with nothing on the other side so like we're giving to our work and then we come home and it's like we can do it all ourselves we and it's just um and i just i don't

have that instinct oh when i come home um i'm very happy to say because i have we have a lot of help i have i have eight butlers that's just me i have sir and i have people that carry me oh yeah from

the toilet to my other toilet and i go to the bathroom a lot yeah oh i'm constantly one to the other yes there's no stop and they don't stop anywhere else and there's a toilet on the little

chariot they carry you yeah yeah i'm constantly but by the way if that's what's happening i think

you need it yeah no no trust me i don't think this is like vanity at all i think there's something

going on that's a really good point and thank you for taking my side on this because you know my wife is always like this is really necessary i'm like you have no idea how necessary this is But I think that's your problem is saying we want to be part of the, you know, you can meet the children later in life. You know what I mean? You can meet them later.

You're saying her problem is that she wants to be involved with her kids. Yeah, what's that all about? I don't get it. Oh, okay. Okay.

People like Winston Churchill, he was raised by people on the estate. And then he was like brought to meet his parents at a certain age. I'm serious. They're like, come, it's time to go meet your father. Hello, father. You know, it was a weird thing.

Your children call you by your first name, don't they?

hello Conan yes it's Mr. Conan Mr. Conan yeah exactly yeah but it's casual but still like formal super casual yeah I just think um like every little moment just like I think that John and I connect so much to our own childhoods like we have such distinct memories of what our childhoods were like and and we see our children um in ourselves so much so I think it's like every time we are like the funny thing is like Malcolm will do something and then he and I will both have john and i will both have a different reaction based on like what our childhood is and that sometimes they're very we're very different he's irish catholic yeah you know white collar family and then i grew up in a military family with like my my mom a vietnam

vietnamese refugee yes right yeah who came here in 1975 the day the war ended yeah i was out on

the last the last um the last boats out and um and so you have a completely different frame of

reference than than john mulaney irish catholic yeah yeah yeah so like we like the other day

like like malcolm was like why can't we do this thing and and um and john I was like, oh, well, because it's closed now. Everything is closed. And then I was like, at the same time, I was going, well, because we've decided that we're not going to do that. And we both looked at each other going like, which way do we go? What are we doing?

You didn't have your story straight.

We did not. And we do that a lot. And then one of us will kind of start to talk slower. And that's the cue to be like, we follow that person, whoever. So I'd be like, no, it's closed. So we're not going to go today, but we're going to go tomorrow. and then we're like oh okay i don't so your kids now think you're just liars

that's what we're trying that's all parenting is yeah she says twins as well yeah i think i think

the three of us have kids that are around the same age my boys my boys turned five in july yours is in october yeah and i think yeah he's four yeah yeah just turned four at the end of

november okay i used to tell our kids that obama canceled it i'm serious i used to do that i used to tell them, you know, Obama canceled it. That's why we can't do it. And they said, what? And I said, yeah, it was on CNN. And my, I think it was my daughter said, what is that? The Conan Nonsense Network? Oh my God. And I was like, okay, well, this doesn't work anymore.

They're Republicans now.

That's a Biden term. She was two when she said that, yeah.

I just said that to John just yesterday. I was talking about something that my mom had said to me that was so like flippant and innocuous. She wasn't even thinking, I know at that time, she didn't think it was anything. but what she said i knew was a lie because it was just like when i was a five-year-old you know she was like oh whatever it was was just like a little lie and i and it i know in that moment of course the course changed from being like i believe everything my mother says to being like oh you're just you're not going to be telling the truth about things right right and then i look at myself as an adult i'll be like mom my mom knows everything she's so annoying she knows everything she's always right and yet i'll still be like no because that's my my default is to be like no because i remember when it all changed for me lied one time and i can never trust you again when i think as a kid like it you know i said to john we never know when we're creating a core memory so like there's things that my mom said and did that she will never ever be like i remember that because there was one time when it's like in the 80s right so my mom would uh had us my sister and i um my stepsister same age as me came home from school puts us to nap and then i hear the door close and I look outside I go into the living room and she's in the van pulling out of the driveway we're nobody else is going to be home we're like alone at four years old but this is the 80s when you could like you know leave your kid at home you go run and come back and I ran out crying and screaming well I thought she was leaving us and she's annoyed now she's got to go back like okay get back in the house and I was just being like and then I was so confused like now she's annoyed with me did I do something wrong but she was leaving me and it was just

and that became such a core memory that's bold even for the 80s yeah that's pretty good not for

the 70s but for the 80s yeah yeah we used to also in the um pickup trucks like you know sit in the back of the flatbed but on the hump where the wheel is we can sit in there like just you know a free ride through the highways like no one got in trouble then it was a different time yeah i'm

amazed at the things that we did in the when i was growing up in the 70s i just you know sometimes i wouldn't see my parents for months at a time. Yeah. I was left with just a map and a gold coin.

I know. You just go on a full walkabout for three days in your hometown and just come back tan and dirty. In the outback. Yeah. Yeah.

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does it at home or not so much no i can't see him doing it but it must be happening because i'll be watching like i'll i haven't seen his stand-up until recently we were in london i watched and i was like you've been like clocking all of this core memories you're making core memories

everything is a core memory everything his latest special is called core memories

no it's yeah because uh but i have noticed something with him that you might relate to as like a comedian because i've now i see it now with him is that like malcolm said something the other day too i think and and when something's really funny there's not a big reaction it's just like oh yeah uh-huh and like his brain is already it's almost like he's like writing it down a

notebook in his head yes you know you don't immediately laugh exactly you just go oh that's very funny yeah yeah yeah i see yes that can be used later uh-huh yeah joy yeah yeah but i think sometimes there's not sometimes there's really not just like ah yes that's very good that's very

good i think it clicks it just literally it flips a switch instead of like where the rest of us are just like, that's funny. I think it immediately flips this other switch. That's like, that is very funny. Let me log this down. Let me not forget the nuances of whatever this whole little moment was. So that happens a lot more than, than I recognize, like, you know, the first year we're

together. Yeah. It's not as obvious as John saying, you know, you're, you know, your Malcolm falls down and he's like, wait a minute, I can use this. I keep crying. So I get down what it's like. Um, we were talking just before we got started and I thought, I want to ask you about this because your early life, there is, you know, there's a lot happening. Your mom comes here when she has you. Where are you living? Is it Oklahoma? Oklahoma. I was born in Oklahoma City. Oklahoma. But then it doesn't work out. Her marriage doesn't work out.

My father cheats on my mother when I was six months old. And then she, yeah, she, my sister was two and a half. I was six months. And my mom was, had his dry cleaning and was going through a suit jacket and found two movie ticket stubs and went up and asked him like did you go to the movies with somebody and he said yes and she goes was it a girl or a guy because it's a girl he goes is it a date and he's like yes and then so she leaves and then um and she goes to japan no so she leaves so my okay my mom and my mom my grandmother and her nine children escaped vietnam um in the fall of saigon and in 75 and they came out to oklahoma because they um there was a um a christian university president that was like i'll sponsor all 10 of you to come to oklahoma and they went there and then my mom went to university and everybody still lived there in oklahoma and then when my when she left my father she went back home to my grandmother's house with you know my uncles and everybody there to take you know take care of her and and us and my mom would tell stories about my dad coming to get us to for visitation and my uncles would be so mad and they'd pick up huge rocks and just throw them at him and like throw them at his car and like it was just they were just the saigon came out in them yeah what a ancient way of showing

displeasure do you know what i mean i'm gonna take a note for this yeah i'm passive aggressive with you matt but i don't pick up large boulders and throw them at you but now that we know that's

an option it is an option but she so then she goes so then and then eventually she she remarries um my first stepfather my mom's been married three times Bye. second stepfather it's important to note that he is amazing his name is sam but my first stepfather was not a good guy at all it's really for 14 years of my life from like two to 16 and so she married him and he's in the military and then that uh brought us to he was a bit of a like a rageaholic yelling well would you call him that he was very abusive abusive in many ways um and it's interesting like with abuse right like like there was definitely screaming and yelling but there wasn't like a rage like when you see in movies just somebody comes again wow what's going on in here it was just like that you know your the your blood runs cold you just feel you know you could just feel it it's like when your kids are like dogs right where you can feel things before anything is said you could like it's raining outside and i would learn like later in life like okay rain that's actually bad because he might be late for work or somebody might did it and then he's going to come home and be really in a bad mood so you just kind of like yeah yeah clocking all these things he wore um always at home he would wear like flip-flops and so like the sound of like flip-flops on linoleum because you know in a military housing you have like the same kind of concrete floors that linoleum on on top of it and just like those kind of things that you just kind of perk up and go like okay someone's coming or danger's coming and just before we came in here

you were talking about how you you seem like someone who obviously went through a great deal and then at some point had the strength and tenacity to say i'm getting out of here because you talked about getting in your car and driving this is you know when you're much older but you decided I'm going to go to Los Angeles, you got in a car and you just started driving and you said, you know, your, your car broke down at one point and you were looking for a replacement part on the side of the road. Yeah. So there's this real fire in you. Like I'm going to get out.

I always wanted to be an actor when I was like, uh, maybe 17 or so. My best friend gave me this book called an actor's guide your first year in Hollywood. And I was like, page one, let's go. here we're gonna make it and um and so i i told my mom that i wanted to be an actor and you know my mom being an immigrant was like oh okay that's not you know my my mom and her siblings all came to america with nothing and they all have like you know master's degrees and phds and become like top engineers and one has worked for nasa and they're doctors and so my mom was like you know we don't have a dentist or a lawyer in the family yet and i was like yeah yeah i was like okay yeah and also

you can understand where they're coming from yeah that if you if they're coming from that reality and then you just one generation removed is saying i'm going to try improv uh and i'm going to throw uh and i'm going to play you know some uh um some theater games i could understand why they'd be

freaked out yeah especially because she's like wait you want to do what like she did tell me a long time ago, she goes, you want to be active? Only one man can do it. Tom Cruise. You're not Tom Cruise. I was like, what? I go, mom, there's a lot of people. She is true. There is only one man that can do it. You're not Tom Cruise. I was like, I'm not. However, he and I do have the same birthday. So, um, but, uh, and so it was, um, I would ask her a lot and she was like, if you go to college and use your degree for one year, like then I'll, I'll say, okay, you can go. And now I know at this point i'm an adult but it's an asian family so it really mattered that my mom was you know there to support me and also i didn't have the money to go do that and and i needed a lot of support and permission from my mom and so i um graduated from university of oklahoma with journalism degree and then i worked at the nbc affiliate for one year in tulsa oklahoma and you were sideline no i was doing the assignment desk you've been into a newsroom before so there's the we go into a newsroom there's this assignment desk and it's where you answer the calls from people going like i love what you know jane was wearing today on the what color was that suit and it's also people going like um there was a you know um i've got a complaint about you know xyz and what's happening over here on this street there's also all of these police scanners paramedic scanners fire department scanners and it's constantly all the time and your job is to hear it all and then to tell people and to be like conan go to 89th street there's like you know

there's a fire at macready's barn get over there exactly and they're right there in front of me

and i hear nothing and i could hear producers screaming out what like you know they're like a school bus turned over on 29th you're like i'm like really they're like oh my gosh there's a house fire on on robertson i'm like there is and i'm like i'm the worst person at this job ever

It was your job is not to go. You don't say. Wow. That must be some fire.

I'd be literally. We should put it on the news. I'd be watching people get up and run. And I'm like, what? They're like. And they'd be like maybe into the parking lot screaming what's happening. And I just couldn't hear it. And so I took that job for a year. And then then they asked me. Don't ask me why. They're like, do you want to stay on longer? And I was like, well, I told my mom I would only do this for a year before I would go. And I was just determined to just do a year. And then I started thinking.

like, oh man, maybe I, maybe I will. I don't know. I talked to my mom about it. And she goes, you know what, just, why don't you just wait another year, just like one more year. And then you, then you should go out to California and give it a try, but just one more year. So I was like, okay. And then one day, speaking of core memories, like not knowing when you're creating them, my sister was getting dressed and she was in the bathroom putting on her makeup. And she said, oh, you know, mom said the funniest thing to me the other day. She said, you know, Olivia keeps wanting to go to California to be an actor. And I just told her like next year. And if she says anything to you about it, just tell her next year. And we'll just keep saying next year next year until one day she'll forget about it yeah and my sister said it of just like mom is so silly and that's so silly and I'm pretty sure my sister doesn't even know this story because it probably didn't even clock to her but in that moment I was like oh my god like well why is this working like why why why because it clearly worked on me I thought well I'm letting it work why am I letting it work on me well because what if I don't make it and if I don't make it then for the rest of my life I could always say well I was going to be an actor but my mom wouldn't let me I was

Yeah. In a way, you have an out.

I have an out forever. So I had this old like beat up Land Rover Discovery that like broke down like every 20 miles or so. And it was not a good thing for the environment to do. But we took out the catalytic converter because in Oklahoma, you could. And the catalytic converter allows more to have just more like horsepower. And it's really bad for the environment because it doesn't let all the exhaust kind of out. But in Oklahoma, you could do it. so thanks Oklahoma so the the mechanic was like you know you take this out you're gonna get like you're gonna be able to go a lot faster and you're gonna get more shoots gasoline out the back propelling you forward and um and so and then I also had a really bad a crack in my radiator and I knew about that but I couldn't afford to like you're driving Chernobyl

yeah exactly um and so i mean you're low on you you're kind of low on uranium

so i um so then i had to drive like um got in my in the car and i was to go from oklahoma to texas and then all the way through you know new mexico arizona and then to california but like it stopped like every 200 miles and um because you have to stop open the gaskets put in the the radiator fluid you know to the freon to you know keep it going and then then at one point it just was like steam was coming out i was in the middle of um new mexico and the steam was just like spewing out and it's like the check engine lights coming on so i pull over and i'm like oh my gosh and like the the hose for the radiator like i'd blown it was like a like a crack in it i'm like i just i'm on the side of the road on the highway like look you know like walking for a while going through the brush and then i find a hose i'm looking for something that i could use and i find a hose and because i've already had to do these things no no no not a radiator hose okay no it was still

a hose a hose you found what you're looking for that's amazing it was it was i don't know what

kind of hose it wasn't a water hose it was something but i did it because in college my best friend kara she's very she taught me a lot of this stuff and um and so this had happened once before when we're in oklahoma during college and i was like what are we doing she's like we're gonna go find a hose it's like what do you mean she's like we're gonna find something and like so we like on the side of the road you just keep like looking and looking and like you'll find something and so you know i look it wasn't easy it wasn't like i was like an hour or so just like

treasure hunting i'm just saying you may have a real talent here well you just search and

searching to find something and i i carried um the screwdriver and i carried like the heat resistant duct tape i mean i had the whole thing because like this was a situation that i had experience for like over a year i've been going through this so you'd think actually that i would

have kept like extra hoses that's the key no not if you're not if your experience is just go outside and look around it's like shopping at minor key um but we found it and it got me through it got

me to the very like all the way to altadena where i was meeting cousins and so how long before you got work well it depends on what you how you describe work so in an actor's guide your first in hollywood they tell you really yeah they tell you after the chapter on finding a hose

this book is really good

you know how like they they up they do like a a new a new edition maybe they should do a new edition interviewing me the new edition yeah so um i uh it says like to become an actor you need to join the union and how do you join the union? You get your SAG card. How do you get your SAG card? Well, you book something that gives you your SAG card or you go and be an extra and you can be an extra and you get like pink slips. I think it was like three pink slips equals like one SAG card. That's what I did. You did? Did you get it? Yeah. For being an extra. Wait, how many, how many pink slips did you get? Three. And did you get, did you get a speaking

parts no i was just

featured? No, I was a high school student even though I looked 38

I saw what's the credits, it said creepy high school prematurely aged

Did everyone get one or did they just give it to you?

It was a show called The Smart Guy on like, was it Nickelodeon or something? And one of the actors was someone we knew from an improv group and so he got three of us as featured extras to get our SAG cards. What was the

featured part? Creepy guy in a

high school, like we weren't like speaking

it was some kind of it seemed like a game see that's the it is certainly background work it totally yeah yeah and but i i thought you just go and then you're like every background person gets like a i didn't know there was like a special thing like you have to be like you have to have a featured whatever that means okay but so in the book it says like go to central casting and you bring your passport and another identification and you go there you line up so i go to central casting out in Burbank. And like, there was a line that goes, you know, down the block, down the block, around the block. And I'm there like passport in hand, the biggest smile on my face. I'm like, we're doing it. We're going to do it. We're here. Look at us. I'm the new Tom Cruz. Just like the book says. Yeah. You guys have the book too? Yeah. And I was like literally the only person smiling the entire time. I was like, this is it. And I get to the front. And the first one i did was gilmore girls i couldn't believe it i got cast on gilmore girls and i get to warner brothers i see all these people there and no one else is smiling it's 4 a.m and i'm just like guys we're doing it here we are we made it and then this one guy brought me over and he's like come here he's like is this your first time doing this i'm like yes it is he's like okay he's like what um what color did you bring i was like what do you mean what color and he was like what color did you bring i said i don't i just have like winter coats and stuff he goes hold on he he hands me his red, his red scarf and he's like, you need this so that they can see you in the background. He's like, he, and he puts on a red hat and he goes, and you want to make like big gestures. He's like, you know, like you can say hi to a friend that's way over there. And like, so we had all these like tips and tricks and taught me about like bringing Tupperware so that I can like take food home and like how we want to get into meal penalties. And it was like this whole thing.

I learned Yoda of background acting on your first day. Some of the advice, I'm not sure. I, I have a hard time watching Gilmore Girls because there's a guy in the background who's always flailing like he's on fire and he's dressed like where's Waldo like I can't understand Rory but I only did

I only did one other background job the very first thing I booked was it's always sunny in Philadelphia

oh there you go it's my jam yeah

but wait a second

uh oh

so I couldn't believe it I was just so exciting then Monday morning rolls around and I'm waiting and I'm supposed to film on Monday and I'm waiting I'm waiting I'm waiting And then I try to get a hold of somebody at the agency, like no one's answering, try to get somebody at the management company, no one's answering because it's super early in the morning. I'm like, I feel like I'm supposed to be there already. And then finally I get a call from production and the woman's like, oh my God, we transposed the last two numbers of your cell phone. My number at the time was 0608. So they were calling 0806 and they're like, I'm so sorry. We had to go audition all of the extras for this role. And I was like, what do you mean? they're like we told your managers but my manager at the time was too busy starring and filming his own movie oh god that weekend oh come on he didn't give me any of the any of the yeah bro

oh my god i would give him just a number of more chances if that's not too i'll give him 15 more

chances yeah i was like i was like i you guys i was like i'll be right there i'll be right there like i'm sorry we've had to move like but don't worry we'll remember you for the next time i

thought, of course, you're not going to. I look back at my start and there were things I desperately wanted to happen that didn't happen. And then later on, I realized that if those things had happened, the real great shots wouldn't have come along for me. It would have set me off on a different road. So because you go on this streak of attack of the show, you get. Daily show. Yeah. Daily show. You got offered a part on 30 Rock. Oh, that one. Which you couldn't end up doing.

and then you do the newsroom yeah i um that was like my first big like a behemoth to take on right like the daily show with john stewart was a those both are like kind of simultaneous like they're very different in their own ways right i knew that i was like just the outlier in that whole cast for the newsroom and that you know and actually after my first day of filming the very first scene that you see me in in season in episode two season one he came to me afterwards he's like you know we were he's like just you know we were all watching being like what's this girl from the daily show gonna do and i was like i kind of felt that pressure a little bit but also at the same time felt like like i didn't know a lot about like the etiquette of like filming on on sets and like how like i would ask a lot of questions i would go to sorkin and be like can you explain all these little things to me because i was like i mean I didn't write the character you did so I would and so there was like a look and I would ask other actors me like how would you say this line and they'd be like what like you can't and I was like why would I just want to use my brain if I can have everyone's you know help and involved in this and I was looking at I knew I was going I had like such an amazing high caliber group of actors around me and I was like oh man I don't I just have to like kind of narrow in and think about what I'm doing and I I at that time in entertainment I feel like a lot of times I'd seen characters like that play really just overly demanding or apologetic and I just wanted to play it straight I just was like there's like just any nothing has come close to that I've stopped filming that show in 2014 14 17 14 something like that a long time ago and I nothing has come close to that because of the challenges that Sorkin put for me in there to like really make things really small but still give it as much impact it'd be very hard to act

in his stuff because he puts so much dialogue in there it's so dense and i'm when i watch his stuff i'm always very he's obviously a great writer and he's really a savant at this he does great work but i'm always thinking yeah i i couldn't work for that guy memorize all that stuff and what you know me i'd just be making up gibberish and he also loves walking and talking so that business where you know and you literally can't walk and talk I can't walk I cannot walk and I cannot

unless you're being carried on a toilet if I'm carried on a toilet that's why yeah all my scenes

but you've I mean it's interesting because you you you've had kids I know that you then battled breast cancer and you made this decision to just take time off but I heard you say somewhere I'm not going to do some announcement that you won't be seeing me for a while, which I thought was cool because when people announce, I'll be stepping down from my career momentarily, I always

think no one asked. I always think it's so funny when people do that. I'm like, you don't play for the Lakers. No one's being like, where are they? Tuesday night, where are they? I'm like, you're an actor. Everyone wants to make this big announcement. And it's like, I think if there's somewhere where people are expecting you to be, then okay, you should let us know you're not going to be there but right it was like it was a it was a personal decision and yeah i just felt like i just had gone through if your wife dealt with post postpartum but oh yeah the worst postpartum anxiety did you have that yeah i did yeah i was ready for postpartum depression that heard about i'd never heard of postpartum anxiety and so it was um like about a month after malcolm was born and all of a sudden i just like i wake up at 4 a.m my eyes just pop open i just go and i just feel it in my chest every day it's like that every day for almost a year and i i just i i would just have to hold his arm going from room to room sometimes and that would just be like cool the rats like sometimes it'd be cool but it would always be there and i didn't understand what it was i didn't really say anything to anybody about it i just told him like i don't really feel good i'm just kind of feeling anxious and it wasn't until um it wasn't for like nine months or something until finally i like opened up to i think my therapist about it and i i wasn't able to make a lot of breast milk um i really tried and my son was struggling because i was not giving him any any any nourishment and it was uh so frustrating and so i was like i'm just stopping i'm gonna put him on formula he's gonna be okay but by stopping cold turkey like that i didn't know even if i made a little bit what happens is your hormones drop and everything like i had i was not prepared for that so then it just it just dropped me into like the depths of postpartum hell and i was spiraling and then i ended up getting um people would ask me like what what were your thoughts well the thing is i didn't have thoughts thank god i didn't have any thoughts of self-harm or hurting anyone else um and i have my heart goes out to every woman who's experiencing that and there's not enough sympathy and empathy and understanding for that it's absolutely um horrifying to to feel those things i can imagine yeah so that was a big part of the reason why I was like, okay, I need to take some time away. But I wasn't thinking about that yet. Right when I was getting out of that postpartum haze, I was like, I'm feeling good. Then I get diagnosed with breast cancer. And then it was like, it was a very aggressive, fast moving cancer that was like all over both breasts. So I went through many surgeries, five surgeries. And then in that process, I was like, I think I need to step away from

being in the public eye. Wow. And it's also just important to point out you had no symptoms. and so you took this lifetime risk assessment test which told you you had a very high number

and that saved your life i mean that's huge yeah the clear mammogram and a clear ultrasound and i did clear genetic testing um as well or genetic testing it came back clear um a lot of people ask about brocca and brocca is um is a very well-known breast cancer gene but there are many breast cancer genes and um i tested negative for all cancer genes yeah so um Thank you. I know. The lifetime risk assessment test. And it's a free online test. It takes minutes to take. It's been around for a very long time, but a lot of people don't know about it. Anything above 20% is considered high risk. And it's a score that will tell you how likely you are to get breast cancer in your lifetime. And mine was 37.3%. So I went to go get the MRI and the doctor called me that day and he's like, I think I see something on your right breast. You should go get an ultrasound so okay i go get the ultrasound and then doctor's taking you know some time and it's never really good when they're quiet right so i'm like is everything okay she's like well i see the one from the mri but now i'm finding two more oh fuck like okay and then she's explains it to me so with our women our breasts are like circles and they put a cross through it and then there's quadrants and so multifocal means there's more than one in one quadrant multi-quadrant is that there's two different quadrants it's not it's not that abnormal to have multifocal in one quadrant but it's abnormal to have it in two quadrants, multiple quadrants. So they're like, okay, you should go get a biopsy. So I go get a biopsy and they're like, yeah, it's a very aggressive, fast moving cancer. And it's not normal to have multifocal, multi-quadrant at your age. And then they're like, well, let's go back to your original MRI and look at the other side. And they looked at the left breast. They go, okay, yes, we got to go an MRI biopsy on this. And they did that one as well. And so they're like, so then I was diagnosed with multifocal, multi-quadrant bilateral breast cancer and then after my double mastectomy they send it off for pathology and they find um a tangerine cissection of more breast cancer in my right breast because you know they look for it's called clearing the margin so when they get your tumors they take the tissue out and you want to make you they want to come back and be like okay we we were able to clear margin so whatever tissue sample we got we able to say we got the tumor because there is clear there's clear tissue all around it um and because they did my whole um double mastectomy they were able to take all the tissue out but they were like okay we weren't able to get clear margins till past like a tangerine size section of more so um and that was and i would never have i i would not have found it until it was a much later stage if i didn't take the lifetime risk assessment test and then a year after that a little less than a year after that i would have my mom do a mammogram my mom just turned 70. I had her, this was last year. Yeah. I had her do a mammogram and ultrasound clear, clear. And I did her lifetime risk assessment score and she scored in a high risk. And so then we had her do an MRI and she has, she was diagnosed with HER2 breast cancer. It's a type

of breast cancer that can double in size every six weeks. So when she, when she got, when we found it a few weeks later, she has her double mastectomy and it already become multifocal. ah because it was yeah you do it's a really i'm actually working with senator mark kelly on legislation that will help um make it a lot easier for women um to have this done just because the onus shouldn't be on us to always know about these things and i can i'll i will you know this is a one of the biggest missions in my life besides being you know a mother and a wife and a daughter i want to um help as many women as i can with this it's so simple but it shouldn't be um on us to know about it you know when we go into our doctors they take our um blood pressure they ask about like our cholesterol and they should also say what's your lifetime risk assessment score and so we're working with i'm working with um senator kelly on figuring out a way to um get every doctor in our country to make that part of their standard of care yeah

all right lifetime risk assessment test that is huge um yeah i better write it down for you

There's a specific one, the Tyra Cusick one. I have it in my link in bio in my Instagram. Okay. Because there's one called the Gale something other. It's the Tyra Cusick one. They're all a little bit different for some reason, but. We can put it in the show notes.

Yeah, yeah, put it in the show notes. Well, now you're working on your friends and neighbors with Mr. Jon Hamm. And I bet it's nice to be, you know, it must be nice to be back in it, I would think. Kind of therapeutic to be working and making that great show. I really do love that show. Thanks.

I'm so happy you like it.

And we got to do this again sometime. Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

It just settled in. What else are we going to talk about?

Finding hoses?

I hope my friend Kara, I'm going to make her listen to this. She was the one who taught me that. She's an architect. Do you know California Chicken Cafe out here? Of course. She's like the VP of branding there, and she's the one who redesigned all of the California chicken cafes out here. I've noticed they've got a new look. Yeah, they do.

They have new font and everything. There's one on Melrose. That makes me like the chicken more. It's all about presentation. Sometimes there's a really good chicken with bad font. And I'm like, I'm not doing this shit.

You're a big font guy.

I'm very big on a font.

What I learned is they did better during COVID than a lot of places because everybody's looking for just a healthy.

easy alternative. So much so that they don't do Eden anymore. Yeah, they don't. You know a lot about this place. I sure do.

She knows her fast foods and your food outlets, right? Isn't that fair to say? That's fair to say.

It's not really fast. It's not like Carl's Jr.

No, no. Burger King. You're just lifting off a whole other place. Okay, it's

it is. It's like that. It's good. And I like, you don't have to walk in. They have like a window now and you just go order. Is there one out by us? There's I don't think so. If I go to one, it's the one on Melrose. Excuse me, we're talking in here.

Let us talk. Can I just say the best one of all is Pollo Loco?

It's El Pollo Loco. Please. Okay.

I like La Polla Loka myself. I like to feminize things because women need to be heard and seen. But also, I like a chicken that's gone insane. I like a chicken that's eyes are crossed and it's gone insane. And then the chicken is telling you, eat chicken. But the chicken's gone insane and it's this crazy thing where you're like, a chicken's gone so insane he's telling people to eat more of my kind.

Yeah, game recognizes game. Exactly. Game recognizes foul.

All right, well, my best to Kooky John. Yes. You know, I mean...

He loves you.

Well, I love him. Listen, be well. I'm so glad that you're healthy. I'm glad that you have these two beautiful children and that you have this great family. I'm just pretty happy for you.

Aw, thank you so much. I mean, it really means a lot. I mean, just so happy to be here with you guys. I mean, we love your show. Everybody loves your show. They have to.

It's the law.

But it's been so nice. I don't want to leave now.

Well, you can stay. This is a nice place to hang.

What happens next? What do you guys do next?

Why don't you just go out for a tasty freeze?

Yeah.

A little California chicken cat. Yeah, exactly. CCC is what the kids call it. Yeah, that's what I call it. Do you guys interview somebody else after this? Or do you have one a day? No, one a day. We tend to record more stuff, but... Yeah, I don't know if we're doing more.

Yeah, next week we're doing... We do segments separately and all that. I think that's it for today. You know? Sometimes we just do local news and weather.

How many episodes do we do a year?

Well, this is interesting. You're going to be the 400th episode.

Me? Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which means you get a pair.

That feels like someone... Someone did not plan that right. I feel like it should have been somebody.

No, it doesn't. No, please. It's like... But you get a pair of socks.

That's exciting.

Okay. Olivia, I want to thank you.

Sorry, hold on.

Yeah, adjust your clothing and here we go. Olivia, thank you very much for being. Oh, hi.

Start again.

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idea hey we're doing a segment uh conan and team i'm a huge fan love listening to your podcast and it is one of the things that got me through chemo so thank you for that wow that's good for her you guys should do a segment where you guys discuss new words that kids use these days oh wow that's

a good one uh hey kira ate kira i'm so glad that you got through chemo and um love the suggestion it was the new uh what what the words that kids are using these days are using these days do you know sure there's riz i've been told i've got riz by no one i was gonna say i name one person no one i apparently i am riz free uh but it's a good word yeah it's good slang do you know what

the slang is these days uh i know cap no cap and i know cap no cap cap is uh you're telling the truth no cap is you're telling the truth cap is when you are uh not telling the truth okay that's right yeah because it's all about hiding behind a cap someone explained it to me oh so

so use it in a sentence um uh hey dude you're you got you got a cap on right now oh what well

no i'm trying to use it in a sentence i know but i just told you if no hey cohen uh no cap

uh you did great at the oscars oh thanks a lot yeah okay um i don't like that I just think it's these new phrases should be easier to say.

Yeah.

You know what I mean? That's why, like, the guy's got riz makes sense to me because you're saying a lot in a very short little word.

Yeah.

That's why I think it's useful. No cap cap just feels like it's you're complicating something that's, you know.

It's not meant for you. And then I think there's the one about any. Don't they add maxing now to everything?

Yeah, there's all like frame frame mogging, gesture maxing.

Oh, well, that's because of the social media star who who looks maxing, who which he helped invest. And I thought of a joke the other day. I ran over a controversial social media person with my truck. Yeah, I was charged with clavicular homicide. died now okay look i'm getting mad respect i wrote that joke the other day because um i saw him being a douche somewhere and i just was like okay that's what

sona has her head down like she's gonna puke i don't know what to can you no i did a bit on

the oscars that was all about me trying to appeal to young people yes but the whole joke was that's impossible if you're doing it on you're doing it on broadcast television and that was the joke but someone sent me a clip of clavicular watching it and saying the dude that's wasting his time trying to be cool on network tv and I thought no that's the joke clavicular but then I realized I'm engaging in an argument with clavicular um and that's when I thought I should use this time for good and write a joke about clavicular where he gets hit by a truck. And then I came up with it. Sorry, you're charged with clavicular homicide. Come on. High fives all around.

No high fives. You say so much nonsensical words. I feel like you could come up with a slang term. Something a lot better than cap, no cap. Okay. Let's say, hey, are you serious? Say something that's like, hey, this is serious.

I'm Sears, S-R-Z. Sears?

No, that's a department store for people who still remember it. It was a department store.

No, it's long gone. Sears is so long gone, we can change it and it's just S-R-Z. Okay. Hey, Sears, what are you going to do?

Can you say I'm Sears? Like it's 1998.

What's that?

I don't know.

Okay, I think I'm better at this than you are and I think you're drifting away. What do you think? You're the closest to this age.

I was going to say, Adam's probably the expert because his kids are like the perfect age. Yeah. I do hear cap, no cap.

Tell them it's not good and to switch to Sears, S-R-Z. Low key, people say all the time.

And you actually in your Oscars thing said, which was really funny and we say it at home now, low-ken-u-en-ly or something like that. Yeah, low-ken-u-en-ly, yeah. Which I think you made up, but it's like a play on low key. They say low key a lot.

I just said what Skylar Higley told me to say. That was one where it was like teaching a dog how to speak by putting peanut butter on its lips. Skylar said, say these words and it will be funny. And I went, okay, Skylar.

so Sears

I thought that was a good bit give us another one no no but what's the you don't know

I feel like I don't know

Blake has one a lot of times people talk to chat like yeah chat because when you're live streaming you're looking at a chat that people are talking about but people are bringing it IRL into real life and saying oh yeah chat let's go out to dinner at Chipotle or whatever Well, I don't know, but, okay.

they're referencing that, yes, a chat can be happening while you're having a conversation online. They'll say chat instead of guys. Like, hey, guys, let's go do this. Hey, chat. Oh, that's okay. That's bad. Or there's like the silent scream. I feel like Gen Z does. Have you seen that? Where they'll go like. Oh. I've never seen that before. They'll also say bet. Yeah, bet. Bet I've heard a lot. Bet is really big. You know what I want to do? I want to grow even older in ignorance. Okay. That's my dream. It's just to drift away on the ice. Okay. And just not know about no cap. chip-chop, flip-flop, squabbledy-doo. I love it. You do? Did you not use slang terms when you were younger? I think I used slang terms from the 40s when I was growing up in the 70s. You must have been so cool. I was like, hey, 23 iskidoo, you know? I was always trapped in the 1930s and 40s in the late 1970s, you know? So, yeah, I was a weird, weird kid and no one should do as I did. All right, I think we learned a lot And also, in a way, we learn nothing. And maybe we now know less than we did before. And we've accomplished our mission.

Sears.

Sears. Sears.

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