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hello everyone and welcome back to my show this is going to be very very interesting because when we do charlie kirk it's always interesting it's like this case is never ending gold for investigative journalists because something always comes up i mean it's like conspiracy on all sides um i have amazing guests today zach castello is my guest today he's um a christian activist he's also the host of zach castello show amazing youtube channel which all of you should subscribe to i will put down the links below and brand brandy sis leone is my guest also a friend of mine i'm so proud of her she's like a fellow fighter when it gets to uh charlie kirk's case and uh everything that's going on in utah we are both in utah yeah so um you guys might know me

from my old podcast which was the brandy and billy show and then i branched out and started my own solo channel which is just called the brandy siciliani show my handle is at brandy siciliani on youtube x instagram tick tock and like elizabeth said i am still going to be heavily covering the charlie kirk investigation but i'm eventually going to branch out into other topics

as well awesome so guys today we are doing all encompassing episode on charlie kirk so because it's been so long now and people have heard you know some stories about erica kirk about laurie and about tyler boyer it's like all over the place and i want to bring it all together with the timeline and make it much easier for people to understand what's going on with this case all right so let's start zach you want to start with the assassination itself charlie shows up

in utah yes yeah sure so um i guess we can start if we're going to start with the assassination itself we can start on september 10th 2025 uh charlie kirk arrives at utah valley university um we don't necessarily have to get into some of the planning that turning point usa had put beforehand with regard to the venue itself and some of the concerns that they had about that outdoor venue with the rooftops that both individuals at turning point usa and charlie kirk security team were concerned about the security team had conversations with the uvu police prior to this they were concerned about the rooftops as brian harpole charlie kirk's head of security had let everybody know in that sean ryan show they communicated with uvu police about covering those rooftops um the uvu police responded and said we've got you covered and then brian harpole put his hands out and said well what are we supposed to do after that you're being paid millions and millions of dollars to protect charlie kirk you'd think that you would follow up uh in that regard right in any case charlie kirk um you know enters uvu he's throwing out hats you know all the videos we've all seen those he sits down at the table i think i think he was was talking for about 20 or 30 minutes, I believe. He began talking about religion. He was talking about Christianity. He was talking about the differences between the Church of Latter-day Saints. As you two both likely know in Utah, probably very well know, Mormon or the Church of Latter-day Saints is very prevalent out there. So he was kind of beginning the day talking about those things. And then he went into more of the political discussions. And that's when he was asked the question about transgender violence and as soon as he was asked the question um what's the dude's last name hunter hunter kozak asked the question about uh transgender violence and you know we all know the last lines of counting or not counting gang violence is the question that charlie kirk posed back to hunter and then boom the shot rang out um i specifically was uh was told by my father-in-law he pays a lot of attention to to politics he sent me a text message i'll never forget where i was i was just sitting uh eating my lunch uh at about what it would have been about 3 30 my time here in virginia and uh my father-in-law sent me a text message he was like he just said charlie kirk and i was like what the heck so i immediately got on x and started looking around to try to find out what happened and there was an initial video that i could see that which was of the of the event but from higher up and from what i could tell or at least what i initially saw was kind of charlie you heard that you heard the gunshot and then put gunshot in air quotes for

now yeah but you see the you see kind of his chest cave back it looked like he he kind of just went straight back and and to me it looked like it looked like a gunshot to the chest um that that's what I thought it was from a

far um didn't know how serious it was at the time and it wasn't probably until maybe 20 or 30 minutes later where i was on x and then i saw the up close video from charlie's uh i guess if you're looking at him his right side where you can see that neck wound for the first time and that's where you saw the blood coming out and at that moment i was very concerned that uh charlie kirk wasn't gonna make it and then as the evening went on i think it probably wasn't until about 5 p.m or so my time which was maybe a couple hours later that i had found out that that he didn't make it and that he had died yeah so that that was kind of that's kind of my account of the day of and i don't know

where would you where do you want to go from here so yeah let's go to directly to hospitals okay so charlie kirk is taken to um timpanogos and this is where i actually checked out both hospitals view hospital is locked down utah valley hospital not uv sorry utah valley hospital so is is locked down which is really weird because why would you lock down another hospital uh like for what reason someone said well it was a bomb threat and that's why actually no because during the bomb threat everyone's out and swat goes in there was no swat team there it was just usual units like police units and so on and i posted videos on eggs because thank god i took a video of utah valley hospital because they would be like oh you're lying no i actually was on the ground i took a video and in the entrance there was this like two guards female and male and no one was allowed in um at all even to see the patients but they were happily like personnel were happily walking in the halls so that's not a bomb threat okay when you have a bomb threat you take the personal out the only patients that do not go out are the ones who are out you know in in coma or or very very uh bad condition that you can't move them right none of that was happening now i'm gonna say this allegedly because unfortunately i didn't capture the video of the guy i think 99 percent i saw governor cox there because i was like walking around waiting for my producer dan to come over and so that we could at least get some reactions of people and i was like asking everyone are you guys sure that charlie's in timpanogas because the situation is very similar in both hospitals what's going on maybe he's here because utah valley hospital made more sense guys they are more equipped to for such trauma than timpanogas is right so yeah so ksl crew standing under a tree tsl is a local channel so we approached them and we said why are you here uh we heard that charlie was in timpanogos and they were like well we were we went we sent crews in both places much like you guys because we didn't know exactly where charlie was so here is this weird thing honestly i don't know if i believe that charlie was in timpanogos at all i don't know if i believe that so again just my my my personal opinion there and governor cox is a short very very skinny man very skinny man and you can distinguish him from you know from the crowd really well especially like his uh the way he dresses he always tucks in shirts like he whatever shirts he's wearing like either whether it's like long sleeve or short he always tucks it in his pants and he's very skinny bold so i'm pretty sure i saw him in Utah Valley Hospital. Now, the question is, what the heck is Governor Cox doing in Utah Valley Hospital

before Trump says that Charlie's dead?

Well, and Elizabeth, what I want to throw in here, because again, like I think what's important is for us to go back to even prior to September 10th. So what you're mentioning here about the hospitals, like we also have to go back to what, excuse me, what Baron Coleman found with regard to the Google searches and the Google searches were taking place back in june or july about specific locations in this area so we have local hospitals we have the surgeons we have the medical examiner we have the home address that that alleged weapon was placed behind in that backyard all being searched from ip addresses in washington dc or the state of israel in june or july prior to obviously september 10th so you have these irregularities of these specific very specific locations like tippinogo's hospital was one of was in one of these searches prior to including the medical examiner and the surgeons like you have these searches that that took place prior to this assassination event too so that that adds to some of these irregularities that took place prior to charlie kirk ever even arriving at uvu that day right and let's not forget also that cash patel did gut the utah fbi uh on august 1st 2025 and then timpanogos regional hospital announced andrew zanger as their new ceo and head surgeon on august 15th 2025. so this is before charlie was assassinated yeah that's what candace says everybody's new everybody's everyone's new in this case and also

the strategy that tp usa applied was due i'm like what is going on we can agree that one or two coincidents can happen okay that's fine give them five how about hundred right like it's weird and washington dc and israel um is interested in freaking utah i mean most americans not are not interested in utah like even when they want to visit utah or like outside you know view whatever nature of purposes or whatever so all of a sudden these guys are so interested in it it's really weird but yeah it doesn't stop there so i actually wrote to governor cox i wanted to you know have him on and ask this question what were you doing in utah valley hospital before president trump announced charlie kirk dead and i wanted to see what he would say and of course crickets nothing so moving on this whole ordeal was really weird and then uh let's move to erica kirk's reaction the widow that grieves differently so brandy you want to take on that before we go into erica's and mother's businesses and so on. So everyone is expecting Erica to, I guess, you know, be a grieving widow. And no one is talking about Erica, not Candice, not me, nobody. I mean, we supported

her fully. I think it was a little odd that she was posting photos and videos of her husband's hands in the casket, you know, after he passed away. I think it was a little odd that she was so open to forgiving publicly forgave the man who allegedly killed her husband even though we haven't even gone through a trial yet so how are you so certain that this is the man that killed your husband then you have her zoom calls that were recorded and she's publicly laughing and smiling and talking about merch sales just days after her husband died it's It was a little odd, I think, for everyone to see that. And at this point in time, I did not think that Erica was suspicious, but I just felt like that behavior was definitely odd. That's not how I would be reacting. It was the first red flag for a lot of people was just to see how abnormal she was reacting to this whole thing.

Do you guys think that when Erika came out and forgave Tyler Robinson, and again, this is just an opinion, that she was doing it to drive the crowd towards this idea that Tyler Robinson is the killer, period. I mean, we are not even in trial yet. And she already forgives a guy who we don't know killed Charlie Kirk or not, right? So you're forgiving somebody who's not guilty yet.

Why are you doing that? I remember watching the memorial. I was visiting my sisters in San Diego and I had it on the TV. And when she said that, I remember the internet went crazy. They're like, wow, what a strong Christian woman. I couldn't do that. What a woman of God type of thing. And at first I was like, yeah, I know that's really powerful. There is no way I would be able to forgive someone that quickly but then after i thought about it i was like he's not even guilty yet we don't even have all the evidence i i thought that was bizarre i did yeah from that day i was like yeah okay well maybe i'm just not as strong as a christian as eric kirk but i just thought that was very odd to forgive someone who has not even been convicted yet

yeah absolutely and let's talk about um her behavior even after that so okay so she starts changing in a way when maybe it's not her but tp usa start changing the message of charlie kirk right so we have we were bombarded guys with the zionist propaganda from day one charlie died so So we've got Netanyahu coming out and claiming they were friends when so obviously Charlie was. trashing them uh in their actions in Palestine and he was uh at um what was the what was the show remind me um he did Patrick B Davids show and said they're gonna uh you know ethnically cleanse Gaza that's where they are going and he questioned whether or not there was a stand-down

order by the Israeli government at the time as well that was a big one so because I also think

there was a stand-down order where when i heard charlie say that i was like oh my god someone is thinking because i i know how israel operates i mean if you studied this freaking fake state for long enough like you know that's how they operate so they need a cause well deep state in america operates the same way right so they need to create some false flags so that they have a green light to attack and i believe that this whole uh october deal was just that they knew that some kind of attack was coming and they were like well let them kill as many so as as as as we can so that we can go and detect them and completely destroy them okay uh i believe there was a stand-down order and charlie kirk started asking those questions and from charlie kirk that's very damaging from elizabeth lane it might not be but from charlie kirk that's huge so he's going all in against israel and then he dies and netanyahu tells us how great friends they were

and he does it within 24 hours what yeah yeah i mean i what i'll just add there is that he spent charlie kirk did the entire month of of june of 2025 advising president trump against what the neocons and the what you would call zionist lobby was trying to get president trump to do i mean he was basically opposing bb netanyahu to him faith to his face they wanted to go into iran and do what they're doing now essentially and charlie was like this is not what you want to do you'll lose american public support he was standing directly in the way of that i mean he was on his show harshly calling out people like lindsey graham and ted cruz and he was i mean in fact he he was actually organizing his own influence to primary lindsey graham like that's how much that's how against all of this he was against the neocons in our own government but then yeah then he started to he started to shift his view on on israel and and this is such a big deal and this came to light because of what candace owens exposed within the two weeks after charlie's death they seem to starting with bb netanyahu come out and try to hijack charlie's legacy as some never wavering supporter of the nation state of israel when the reality was is that charlie was beginning to adopt more of more america first positions i think that's that's the most important distinction and that's the most important way to describe it he was aligning more so with what tucker carlson with tucker carlson's view of candy and and candace of the political landscape but i i would argue more that it was slightly more towards tucker carlson great because if you watched a number of their appearances together like for example when charlie told tucker to go max like they were specifically talking about this kind of world order where the lobbyist class kind of facilitates this military industrial complex machine which operates from our greatest ally over in the middle east with these never-ending middle eastern wars and this is how the whole financial and economic engine of the military industrial complex runs and then it and then all the money comes back into america comes back into the pockets of of everybody in charge in the elitist class of the epstein class however you want to describe it right so this is what this is what charlie started speaking out against and the problem with that is charlie got himself he overexposed himself to this class yeah through the donors of turning point usa that was a mistake that charlie had made and when he turned around to almost bite the hand that feeds them that eventually in my opinion became what i ultimately what i ultimately believe led to his death and it was ultimately because he started he was hanging out with tucker carlson too much he was aligning more so with that america

first political vision that tucker and he really started laying out which was very popular amongst young people it was very popular amongst young people charlie was perhaps the most influential organizer of young people in america i i need to actually go back it's not perhaps he was the most influential figure amongst young people in america tucker is incredibly influential charlie had the actual infrastructure and organization to actually influence the public opinion of of of of what he saw fit.

And this is the proof of this is that he himself and Turning Point USA were the ones responsible for running the ground game of President Trump's election in 2024. Like he had proved himself capable of flipping a U.S. presidential election. So now you have the state government of Israel who's launching now this eighth front war on America, on American public support, and it's specifically targeted at young people. So imagine you have the most influential political figure and cultural figure for young people in America turning against the Israel cause that they're not going to get forever support from America. Things are going to change. And when you have a country who considers it an existential threat to win this information war in America against young people, you have to ask yourself the question, at least a normal, reasonable person would ask themselves the question, well, what are they willing to do? And imagine if Charlie Kirk really did turn on all of this. and then you then you start to ask yourself okay well then maybe we should look at them as just a suspect in this whole thing because they are known for carrying out political assassinations in other countries they are known for going into other countries with massad to to induce chaos to eventually stoke regime change they literally said they were going to do that in iran to president trump before we got started in this war like this is something that these neocon governments do all the time like this is it shouldn't be it shouldn't be wrong you're not evil you're not bigoted for asking for asking these types of questions and then to bring all this i know i'm talking too

much but to bring all this back you're doing amazing work explaining people why they should suspect israel absolutely i'm 100 with you keep going but then to bring all of this back to erica

kirk because here's here's the thing when we when erica kirk in the in the weeks or months after Charlie was killed I'm I gave her I'm I gave her the benefit of the doubt like yeah I saw some of the performative stuff as being weird I thought it was off I'd like that's you know that that's kind of to film to film yourself over Charlie's casket at the time when it happened I'm like that's that's that's weird like I don't know why you're doing that for like a social media moment but I know people who are like super performative and just kind of put everybody to put everything out there so I was just like you know what like whatever and she she forgave Tyler Robinson like yes I she was trying to position herself as a good strong christian woman to be honest with you guys at the time like i believe that she was like i was like okay like i don't it might be weird that i can see people thinking it's weird from a christian standpoint or from a non-christian standpoint to look at someone like erica kirk and be like she's she seems a little happy she seems a little too joyful um i mean ultimately like if if if if you're a christian and you believe that charlie was killed for his faith and you believe that he was a martyr and that he that he went to heaven like as hard as it is for the world to relate to it like you can actually have joy in that like you can act like if we believe that this world isn't it and that charlie is in heaven then there then i can see how you can express joy with regard to it like obviously there's ups and downs like the the human side of you is like well you'll never see him again so that's really hard like that's the grief of losing someone but then if you are someone of faith you do believe that this world is not it and if you believe charlie did die for his faith then then you would hope that he's in heaven and then like i can see the joy there now so i can see that so i wasn't fully bought into um i didn't start to grow critical of erica until we started seeing the agenda play out from turning point usa exactly and that is really what caused me because what came out what candace has done such a phenomenal job at ex at exposing excuse me was all of the heat that charlie was getting from all of these zionist donors and and from zionist influencers like like we all candace exposed the hamptons intervention the hamptons retreat where he was obviously getting a whole bunch of crap from i mean seth dylan is a name that's thrown out there a lot but a lot of

these zionists was one of them as i understand uh who by the way the one who introduced erica to charlie and to your point and please continue i'll just say one thing i don't know how your marriages work but i was married and i can tell you that when i was frustrated with somebody or something i took it to my husband and my husband took it to me so we would sit down and talk about how some asshole was trying to do a b and c whatever it was right so obviously charlie would

have said that um at home to erica a very astute observation elizabeth so right here you have charlie going all over the place after the hamptons he went to tucker carlson to talk about how badly he was being treated he went on the megan kelly show to talk about all of the heat and crap that he was getting for everything and when you have if it's true that that erica kirk was to take over the organization if something happened to charlie kirk which they seem to talk about day in and day out amongst all turning point usa people something was always going to happen to charlie as everybody was always afraid something was going to happen to charlie erica was asked in the immediate aftermath what she knows about turning point usa and how to operated her answer was everything so she would have known she was allegedly there when bb netanyahu called and charlie turned down his offer um because he didn't want he did not want turning point usa to be a mouthpiece for a foreign government and this was also made clear because he wanted to detach himself from salem media because of their exposure to foreign ties which we don't have to get into that we don't have to go down that rabbit hole right this second but ultimately if erica kirk knows everything about the direction that charlie was going the america first agenda that he was pursuing over the more zionist uh is pro-israel approach and she knew all of the crap that he was getting from all of these zionist donors then why in the hell is it just zionist business as usual now you've got turning point usa thomas massey like everybody else is that them getting fact checked for that you have them coming out of publishing videos that are years old of charlie saying that he was advocating for regime change in iran which completely erases everything he was doing in the last year of his life getting community on that like i i just it's this it's the political and religious agenda after the fact that has now caused me i mean that's where most of my criticism of erica kirk and turning point usa exists now in this moment i don't think their agenda is i think it's detrimental to america as someone who is a christian who is not a zionist so i'm fighting that in the political religious arena but at the same time this is where this is precisely where i started to really turn and start to question erica because it's like why wouldn't if you're continuing your husband's legacy look i can get on board you talked about being a you talked about being a more traditional mother beforehand i can get on board your husband died if you're like look it's not ideal i've got resources at home i'm probably not gonna work as much or travel as much as charlie did but i really want to be the one to step up and continue this legacy we've got a good team i'm gonna leverage these people like again i'm not gonna get on charlie's travel schedule i've got the kids as well but i'm gonna step in and serve some of this role i could be like all right cool but yeah like like if Erica was out here going Max, like, if she burned all ties with these Zionist donors, if she was like, if she was

really a pursuing an America first, and authentically Christian agenda, in my opinion, I would be I would be Erica's cheerleader, I'd be here like, let's go, let's go. I'm good with it. But it's the reversal of a lot of these things. That's what has really caused me to. I mean, I hate to say it, but and I really hate to say this, because I don't want it to be case but gross just grow suspicious of someone like erica kerr because of all of this absolutely

i i could not agree with you more and i'll add on to that okay so people are saying well yeah she's pushing zionist agenda even though you know she knew exactly what these people did to to to her husband but these people who want to protect erica at all costs are saying well maybe she's afraid maybe she's being threatened maybe she's afraid and that's why she's doing it no no no Now, let me give you an example of a woman who was afraid, and that's Jackie Kennedy. When Kennedy died, and then when Bobby died, she came out and says, oh my God, they are killing Kennedys. That she took her kids, remarried, left everything, moved from Washington, completely disappeared. That she married Onassis for a reason because he could provide protection. He was not part of this whole deep state agenda and so on. So she knew that she needed a strong, stable, rich person so that she could be, she and her kids could be protected. Unfortunately, they killed JFK Jr. as soon as he got into politics, you know that, with the plane crash and they said, oh, he's such a bad pilot. He just, like, shut up, shut up, you know? Yeah, so that's a scared woman. That's a scared woman who did not want to be part of any of this and detached as soon as she could, okay? Erika Kirk is not a scared woman. Erika Kirk is a woman who changed the messaging of her husband by bringing people like, what's her name? The rapper.

Nicki Minaj.

Nicki Minaj, yeah. This is a woman that gets glitter pants on and brings Nicki Minaj on stage and discusses how young people should live because Nicki Minaj is such a great example.

a former stripper excuse me but you know what coming from her she said it so former stripper should teach young people what a life should be like i mean you can't make this up but yeah you are absolutely right zach and this is why people don't like her and then she has the audacity to guest light us into how could you talk like that without stop just stop it's like yeah so i no i don't like erica kirk i think she she should be investigated when you go into criminal investigation it's kind of a known fact that when you don't know where to start and you don't have much um or you have things that won a line and don't make sense family is where you look people who knew the guy is where you look and somehow these people want us to uh believe that erica should be an exempt uh exception from all of that and it's like even if erica obviously wasn't the

one to actually assassinate charlie kirk which i don't think anyone thinks that she was yeah it's just very odd that just little things like they took down all of charlie kirk's spotify uh charlie kirk show shows where he was actually speaking in them i think the last one that they left up was erica's address after charlie kirk got assassinated and then so many people figured out that they did that and caused a scene about it and then they were like oh we're working to get it back then they got it back and it's like well why did you delete them in the first place are you trying to hide things that charlie said that don't fit your current agenda i thought that was really really bizarre and then the fact that erica told candace and other people that charlie never sent text messages days before he died that he thought he was going to get killed then later do we find out oh he didn't send like an i message it was on signal or whatsapp or whatever and do we really think erica doesn't know how to work those apps and she doesn't know that those existed it's just

it's in my opinion well and and i think another piece of evidence that proves that it's very much as you just mentioned was erica is very aware of the text messages that charlie has on his phone because what she was willing to do was leaked to graham allen the text message exchange between charlie kirk and ben shapiro on september 2nd 2025 justifying why ben shapiro was at amfest so like what's frustrating for me is like we there's a lot of us out here asking about these different text messages because of the claims being made like okay we understand that charlie yeah she she said oh it might have been a telegram message it might have been a whatsapp message those are simply just apps you can open on the same phone i would assume that she could just pop them open and and and see the messages right there but i think candace was also able to confirm that i i believe charlie sent dan flood an i message which which showed that he was afraid that he was going to die i think candace was able able to track that down and prove that

um to go back can you imagine if that message went out to damn flood as a security for charlie kirk when my subject is afraid not only i'm gonna double check the damn roof i'm gonna be like next to him 24 7 making sure that he's protected because now it's not just an usual situation

now there's a credible threat 100 and this is and this just goes back to again so we i talked just previously about some of the political and religious messaging that erica kirk has been involved in and how she has refused to cut dies with cut ties with any zionist owners in fact they've they've brought on a whole lot more and then also to the decision making with regard to who's staying at turning point usa like um the the security team completely and utterly failed charlie kirk that day like literally it's a no-fail mission and they literally failed like he he died he died that day and if dan flood had knowledge that charlie was worried that he was going to die if they were worried about this uvu event which many of them seemed like they were what why is dan flood still on staff at turning point usa i mean he's one of the highest paid people at turning point usa and i believe he got promoted afterwards so like you look at someone like erica kirk is the ceo and it's like why what'd you say he declined he declined he was offered promotion and money and he declined oh okay well he declined then okay he declined he declined the money and promotion and i think uh offered it which i think is that the whole point is like he

was still offered a promotion which is crazy i think he's feeling guilty honestly baron knows this. I think he did an episode about it. this um as well like that uh dan flood declined the promotion and money so i think he feels guilty now i would want to know why you know why he feels guilty maybe because you know dan yeah so maybe because he failed and in that case tell me why brian harpool is suing uh candace owens for defamation when dan flood so obviously knows he failed we know he failed i mean you have one job guy you gotta protect this man and he is dead you failed and you have the odessa to sue candace owens for defamation get out of here maniac like what are you doing you're gonna end up never getting hired in this industry ever you're suing someone for a failed job that you did well and brian

straight up lied too like he said on sean ryan's show they weren't allowed to have drones then you have frank turk saying that they had drones they were showing the entire campus showing charlie frank said i don't like the look of this there's too many buildings charlie kind of just shrug it off like whatever it's fine so that was a huge inconsistency and also the text messages that brian presented on sean ryan show with chief jeff long the chief uh sheriff of uvu and made it seem like he was the one texting him and in communication with him and then he said and that was it and it's like first of all those weren't your text messages those were dan flood's text messages with chief jeff long and i'm sorry that wouldn't be enough information for me oh we got you covered no i would want to know where do you have me covered how many men where are they where do we need to be if you are protecting one of the most influential and famous political figures of our time i got you covered is not good enough it's just no no follow-up whatsoever i mean in my opinion

the defamation case to me is absolutely hilarious because brian harpole destroyed his own business end career by basically showing those text messages on sean ryan's to his massive audience and being like what what am i supposed to do this guy said that he had had that he had me covered it's like dude well are you you are you are responsible for taking ownership of this security like you need to go follow up like how as a professional like all of us are professionals like you got to take ownership and accountability for what your job is and if and if your job is so important as to keep one of the most influential political figures of our lifetime alive like you go and follow up to make sure there are people on that roof and and here's the thing you just mentioned it again yes they are dan flood's text messages we clearly have access to more of dan flood's text messages why can't we just see the ones of charlie kirk saying that he was afraid that someone was going to kill him like because he was and the the crazy thing is is like he was afraid someone was going to kill him they've denied and they've lied about that erica kirk herself lied about that to glenn beck and and again this is just when it when it was i could get through all of the some of the performative stuff and some of the you know in the and the forgiving and the even her taking over the organization but it's the it's the twist in the agenda from a political and religious standpoint that i've talked about but it's also the lies and that's ultimately like again my timeline of the growing critical of erica kirk was pretty consistent with with candace owens like if you guys remember candace was really gracious toward erica kirk for a long time for for months and months after it wasn't until erica lied to her face in person that candace was like all right we're gonna start we're gonna start questioning we're gonna start looking into you and and i feel like i relate to that a lot because and then also for me too like kind of the political and religious fallout that's come and kind of the agenda that she's been about has for me been um kind of a big thing in in my reversal i guess you can say in that regard

also guys think about this so let's say damn flood and uh purple are absolutely innocent and this was organized they were just stupid and not good at their jobs let's let's play out that scenario okay all right well let's say someone i'm not gonna say exactly who but someone related to israel or not i don't care somebody decided to kill charlie kirk and they outsmarted harple and then okay well what are they doing now your subject does just died why are not she going out in every a think show saying that guys which is weird because in the security we did you know all of of this time.

and see like there are unanswered questions that even we don't understand how how it happened right why aren't you coming out why aren't you doing your own investigation if you are so sure that you did your job right if you're so convinced and there is no conspiracy why aren't you investigated one right what went wrong don't you want to cover your ground for your next subject and you just like disappear yeah if that happened to me as a as a bodyguard no one will be in the front row figuring out what went wrong other than me nobody right because you're getting blamed for

it one because you're the security guard and if you think there are other forces behind it that had nothing to do with you or your lack of intelligence investigate not want to contact cash patel and tulsi gabbard and joe kent which they tried to get involved and they were denied

or candace owens you understand that it's not your fault something happened and you did an absolute great job at protecting charlie kirk but someone outsmarted you or somebody glitched somewhere yeah connect with candace owens tell her that that listen this is what we did i don't know how we ended up with charlie being dead but this is what we did you should know right well and i

And I think it's pretty obvious that they didn't do everything well. There were so many holes in their security plan. The drones, the no drones, the no security lines go through metal detectors, no tickets, no one on the roof. I personally think that the security team is compromised because of their lack of intelligence and planning for this event.

now let's talk about andrew poubet and blake neff and all these people i just saw blake neff advocating for data centers and i'm just sitting there drinking my morning coffee and thinking why is it that all these freaking zionists all of these zionist supporters are advocating for all the wrong things in the country all the wrong things in the country it's almost like this poor man charlie kirk was surrounded by the psycho wolves and this is why he wanted candace back let's move on to these people now andrew colvette and um his lies like zach you want to take us

through what you remember yeah so i mean and i've i've had a lot to say about andrew colvette and blake neff um with regard to first of all them continuing to be the host on the charlie kirk show i mean again that's probably one of my biggest issues i know i'm not i'm not solo in that regard but yeah again they've been responsible for being the mouthpieces of this again this political and religious agenda that they've taken and i and i say political and religion because i'm talking specifically about turning point usa and turning point usa faith it is a massive political and religious agenda that they are about uh in america so blake neff and andrew culvette are now the mouthpieces for this organization that is responsible for again that has that has influence and access to millions and millions of americans and now what we've seen is that they have essentially become just a mouthpiece for this neocon zionist machine that seems to have captured the republican party president trump maga etc and now what we've seen are blake neff and andrew colvette just continue to reiterate the same talking points that you would see from people like mark levin or laura loomer like laura loomer i know you're good friends with her elizabeth um she has like she's a supporter of turning point usa and erica kirk now which is absolutely insane it's like if you if mark levin and laura loomer on your side now why are you not questioning what side you're on but in any case these two have just simply become the mouthpieces and they've been kind of the main actors with regard to the things that have been put out like especially with charlie and charlie kirk the video they put out of him being years old of him advocating for regime change they talk about all the time how they want to continue on charlie's legacy yet they are directly contradicting as they've been community noted for um basically advocating for policy that charlie was against while he was alive in the last year of his life so how they've been operating the charlie kirk show has been um abysmal um not if you ask me but if you just look at the data i mean just look at the youtube numbers like go and look at go and look at their views go and look at how many views charlie was pulling in when he was alive versus now they've got a channel with like 5.5 million people and they pull in maybe like

like on average 10k views if you go back and look over the last over the last couple months and

those are just people what you and me more people there's no question there's no question about it

there's no question about it so again for that size of a channel you just that to me proves very well people aren't just buying into it but what's interesting is what you mentioned about you made a comment about erica kirk and and her not being afraid what's interesting about that comment is we have kind of grown skeptical of maybe erica is is somewhat under the control of someone and when you look at somebody like an andrew colvette and his background and his ties to Miriam Adelson and his ties to Johnny Moore, who are now responsible, his firm, Kairos Company, are now responsible for doing a lot of the PR that you see from Turning Point USA right now. So you would think that Johnny Moore was the one that may, and his PR firm, and Andrew Colvett, were behind Erica Kirk putting on a black hat after the White House Correspondents Dinner and blessing us all with that not scary. I wasn't afraid of that. No, I'm a man. wasn't afraid of that of that clip at all um a dress that she gave us right like that didn't scare me i wasn't i wasn't afraid when she first popped on the screen but in any case like you have this you have this pr that we've seen come out uh you've seen erica kirk portray herself especially over the last couple months in just very weird and odd ways and you start to question like all right like andrew colvin then his ties that we've now learned about the discrepancies of the flights that he's still not answered on that like that someone like baron coleman found which they got caught lying about again allegedly yeah if it's true that andrew colvette did not travel with his wife on that flight then he was in provo then he was making moves to fly to provo prior to the assassination taking place like that raises some very odd questions so again there are a number of question marks when it comes to air when it comes to andrew colvette with regard to his past his past ties who he's been associated with and then also too to again just some of this same agenda stuff that we've been talking about which causes him to become a very questionable figure

as it relates this whole charlie kirk absolutely and let me go through it's almost like a club zach and brandy like it's almost like a club you have tyler boyer that's a very questionable figure you have andrew covet all of them are connected through these like gazillioners zionists and weird figures and then you have laurie so laurie is erica's mother and laurie operates under like seven different allies guys like different names well some of them are her names but it's weird like if i i can put up a picture of her llcs and she's a founder of easy tech international which is the company uh that contracts like department of defense homeland security she's into uh intelligence she runs e3 tech group which is like a special it specializes in emp mitigation which is a technology critical uh to protect like governmental infrastructure from electromagnetic attacks which is like really weird i mean with this stuff you are definitely involved in intelligence like you're definitely involved whether you like it or not you have to be right so above that she's also linked to tyler boyer the man that uh pretty much introduced erica to charlie right tyler poor is the one who um well laurie sits as a director on this like um uh company part of this company that tyler boyer is also uh part of i forget the name let me super feed yes yes yes that's the one so they are linked there and um then what's weird about this is that tyler boyer and erica kirk cannot get their stories in line how they met right so weird yeah so tyler boyer says well she called me uh and wanted to help donald trump's campaign or something like that and of course uh there's a video of him saying that of course you know i agreed and i put her right behind trump during like one of the rallies i think it was in arizona and then erica says well i never never knew him before okay well how did you call him if you never knew him and asked to you know be involved to help it's just so weird erica kirk showed up at um i think it was megan kelly show she said well we wanted to have four kids and she was like so sad about it like i prayed to god i was pregnant and i can play a clip from an interview before that when she was saying well

I don't know if I want to have any more kids, maybe one more, because how many times Charlie's going to see my organs because I did C-section on both. We might have one more. I'm kind of torn.

The only reason why I'm torn is because I had C-sections for both. So I'm like, how many more times does Charlie need to see my organs?

How many kids did you guys want to have? We wanted to have four.

yeah and i was praying to god that i was pregnant when he got murdered

which one is this is it that you didn't want to have kids you only want to have one kid or is it that you want to have you want to have four kids and you could didn't get a chance like enough enough you're becoming a clown enough you know yeah she just kind of lies

about everything and can you guys hear me okay yes because when i talk i can't really hear you guys but then when i stop talking i can hear you but i sound fine yeah okay all right all right so as we all know you know erica has not been the most honest person so if you want i can just go over a few things that she's been dishonest about and we can kind of discuss them and these are definitely not all of them but i have a few that i listed out in no particular order sure so i think we kind of brought this up earlier but she allegedly wasn't honest about the atlanta event right there was that whole debacle of her saying that there were threats made against her but the reality was that she allegedly just didn't want to go because of the low crowd size yeah which i

would say one of the one of the things that feeds that that that was a that that was dishonesty or a lie was the fact that the secret service said that there was no credible threat right and if

the vice president is safe i think erica would probably be safe she's fine and then baron made that point that he noticed the why refi guy was making his speech and then said thank you erica and looked to his side like he was making eye contact with her as if that she was there

and then already there and then our boy blake neff said that well it was because of her travel schedule it wasn't because of the actual event itself so they were doxing her travel locations and aaron aaron aaron tracked the flights so he he knew that he knew that she was already there

so you don't want people to track your flights don't be a public figure and take a public air transportation don't fly private yeah like okay so sorry that's your fault um then there's the time that erica said that she was at the turning point usa first office opening event because she was potentially going to be hired and was there for a job interview right but then in a different video she says that she was invited by a family friend and that this family friend wanted to introduce her to the ceo which was charlie kirk and tyler boyer has said quite a few times that he is the one who invited erica to the opening so was she there for a job interview or was she there because tyler boyer invited her and wanted her to meet charlie kirk

yeah guys like lies never end with these people um they constantly lie i mean even in my invitation to blake knaps um i don't know if you saw it so he makes a passive aggressive comment on my interview with uh with candace owens and then i challenge him to come on and talk to me if he has

a problem and of course about the dream right is that what about the dream uh by the way i actually

have a screenshot it happened a month before so for all the haters i actually have a screenshot of me waking up and like i think it was three or four a.m and sending my producer also a friend of mine a text message how charlie came to me at the dream that night so i have a screenshot month before this interview ever happened so if i just made it up on spot then how do i have that so that's that's one but of course they are freaking out like they are freaking out about everything okay so this is how stupid these people are we have evidence in front of us and he changes my own words on the post and says you said this and this i'm like dude we can read and this is like what pisses me off this blatant gaslighting of us telling something is white and them telling us know it's black no we can see it's white stop it you know and this is like constant theme with

this organization now well it's elitist and i think this is one of the biggest problems that people have with it like it was under charlie it was he was trying to keep it an organization of the people like of the everyday american working people people against the elitist class like if you remember what Charlie was really advocating for it was again I've talked about the kind of America first but it was more so like the everyday American against the elitist power structure that really Charlie was was advocating for again in the last year of his life and he was against no new foreign wars against the military industrial complex he was very pro-doge and rooting out all of the fraud waste and abuse within the American government He was very much against the military industrial complex, like with the Joe Kent and the Tulsi Gabbard agenda that they were, went in to kind of dismantle it. Like, again, he was, he considered Joe Kent an ally in the, in the administration. Andrew Colvett said as much, and that's why they gave those initial text messages to Joe Kent, right? But Joe Kent's another issue because they've since turned on Joe Kent and kind of threw him under the bus along with the whole entire Trump administration. yeah charlie kirk if you remember was very outspoken about getting the epstein files released so absolutely don't sit here and pretend that these things that a lot of like these truly like more independent america first voices which i certainly consider myself one of don't come out here and say like oh charlie would just be blindly supporting everything that president trump is doing right this second like if you look at what charlie was fighting for he was actually against a lot of what president trump is doing now and what he's done in the last you know three to six months oh 100 yeah it's just a complete disservice i think to his legacy i don't think it's carrying on his legacy at all and i think again you you asked you know what my problem is with andrew colvette and blake neff and i think that the way that they've gone about and it goes up to the top too it goes back up to erica it goes back up to um you know i want to throw justin strife in there as well um you know i think he's a suspect figure in all of this too but they've just become a mouthpiece for for this kind of blind support of president trump and maga and i don't think that's what charlie would would want or what he was fighting for in the last year of his life and

just to prove your point how he wouldn't charlie stuck with his principles and went against zionist movement and israeli cause he said i will abandon israeli causing a lot of money just to stick with my principles you think that would not be the case abandoning trump's trump's ideas like of course he already switched one time just to protect his ground and his principles he would have switched on donald trump as well yeah so this idea that he would somehow you know make an exception for donald trump is charlie kirk would have stuck with his principles no matter what yeah jesus

you know that's that's who his number one person is that he looks up to donald trump is a human he would not have put aside his morals and his values just to be maga 100 and to let go of everything he's ever believed in and that's what i'm really seeing through these like hardcore magus supporters because i voted for donald trump three times i used to be the biggest maga supporter ever when i moved to utah i flew to arizona for one day just to vote for him because i didn't opt in for a mail-in ballot and i was like i'm gonna go to arizona i'm gonna i'm gonna fly there i'm gonna vote for him because this matters so much to me but when i started to see that he wasn't aligning with the values and the things that he was saying that he was going to do i took a step back and i was like okay i don't agree with you anymore like you're a human you're an imperfect human you're not god and i don't agree with you anymore so i'm taking a step back because my loyalty is not to a person or to a movement it's to what is right and what is wrong and right now donald trump is not doing what is right i think one of the important aspects

of this is is just taking into consideration and we haven't really talked much about this but just just the narrative that we're being told and that you know we talked about you know obviously what happened the day of but we didn't talk about what we didn't talk about the narrative that's been told after with regard to who did it and who's guilty and all of that so what we're being told is that tyler robinson um 20 something year old individual is the one who climbed up onto that low c center rooftop and crawled across it and took a shot with a single gunshot with a with a 30-06 rifle that uh his grandfather gave him i know you two you two uh have some perspective on on the grandfather but in any case um and he shot charlie kirk from that low c center location and um and then jumped off the roof dropped the uh gun in a bush and then fled the scene hung around UVU for a little while. to wait for it sent some text messages to his transgender furry lover um which they say they have evidence of and proof of that he sent those text messages and also wrote a handwritten note to and then um i believe it was the next day so charlie was killed on september 10th um the the rest of the day happens tyler eventually makes his way back to his hometown uh what is his the name his hometown again is it it's it's tyler robinson's hometown oh it's um it's in um st george st george in any case yeah he leaves utah county which i believe is where provo is which is where the universe uvu is and then he he travels back to his home county which is i believe washington County, Utah. And he is then, um, we are told after the FBI puts photos out of an individual in that tunnel or in that stairwell, his mother recognizes him and calls a local sheriff police friend who eventually they get in touch with Tyler along with the help of his dad and convinced Tyler that, um, he should turn himself and don't do anything crazy. Tyler, I guess was having suicidal thoughts that he needed to take his own life he didn't want to go through it all all of this while in the meantime continuing to text his his lover whose name is lance twigs eventually tyler is he turns himself into washington county and he is then booked in washington county brian davis of utah county is notified of this and leaves utah county to go and get tyler robinson eventually gets him takes him back to utah county where he's eventually arrested and this is where we generate all of these different charging documents what was found which is very interesting um so that was just a very quick run through of event of essentially the summary of what we're being told with regard to tyler robinson what is very interesting about

something a very important aspect of this timeline that has come up as baron coleman found is that and why this is important is because tyler robinson allegedly put out a discord message um i believe it was at i believe that discord message was set at 7 57 p.m his time i believe that's the accurate time stamp for that discord message and that discord message was sent at 7 57 p.m on september 11th so the day after charlie kirk was shot in that discord message he said that hey guys it was me at uvu sorry thanks for all the laughs sorry blah blah blah i am about to turn myself into a local family sheriff friend. Why that is interesting is because in one of the court filings, we find that Tyler Robinson was Mirandized most likely on, like received his Miranda rights, which is you shall have the right to remain silent. Anything you can say can be used against you in the court of law. You have the right to an attorney. He was read his Miranda rights and this is documented according to a court filing on september 11th allegedly 2025 and that's important because that took place at 6 25 p.m which would have taken place prior to that discord message taking place now baron coleman got a lot of heat for pointing that out people saying like no this was 6 25 p.m on september 12th what baron coleman then was eventually able to find was a video so there's basically there's in the in the court filings there are different eight stamps which are based basically codes which identify certain pieces of evidence that they are referring to within the court filings he found that this video which is titled 3996 is a washington county video and that's important because it's specifically a washington county video not a utah county video okay it's a washington county video In the document where it cites that Tyler Robinson was Mirandized at 6.25 p.m., it specifically refers to that video, 3996, from Washington County. In the evidence, in the document where it lists all of those evidence with all of those different bait stand numbers and IDs of those sources, it states that that 3996 video is from Washington County on September 11th. So that gives us pretty solid evidence that that 3996 video shows tyler robinson being mirandized in washington county at 6 25 pm that's incredibly important because again that discord message of tyler robinson saying that he was about to turn himself into a local family sheriff friend happened after the fact that is also huge because baron coleman has laid out a timeline which if tyler robinson was brought into

to Washington County prior to six. 25 p.m., it states in the probable cause affidavit that as soon as Tyler Robinson was on his way into Washington County, Brian Davis, who is the arresting officer in Utah County, was notified. It takes, if you look at Google Maps, three hours and 22 minutes to travel from Utah County to Washington County. This means that if Tyler Robinson was given his Miranda rights when he entered washington county at 6 25 pm three and a half hours later is right before 10 pm that's incredibly important because there is a booking sheet filled out and completed by brian davis which says he arrested tyler robinson arrested tyler robinson at location outside of utah county he's making an arrest outside of utah county of tyler robinson at 10 p.m on september 7th that timeline lines up perfectly then we have the probable cause affidavit and we have um the search warrant i believe which states that then tyler robinson was transported back with brian davis to utah county and he was arrested or booked in the early morning hours of september 12th and then you have the press conferences the next day with i believe governor cox and cash patel saying that they have someone in com in custody which took place i believe at 8 a.m or is that brooksby i'm not sure exactly which press conference that is but in any case there's a press conference at 8 a.m the next morning with them saying they have the individual in custody the last thing is this because then baron coleman's still getting a lot of crap because again the only discrepancy here is the discord message if you remove the discord message this timeline fits together perfectly it fits like a freaking glove that it does not belong to oj simpson okay okay this is it fits perfectly yes the the the arguments against this so this is where we're like okay which argument is better the argument against is like okay he you know he was Miranda's at 6 25 p.m on September 12th explain to me how you would have multiple booking and arrests which are on the probable cause affidavit they're in the court filings they're on the search warrant why would he have been arrested in the early morning hours of of 9 12 of september 12 you have these multiple bookings all of which took place before that why would you then read someone their miranda rights 12 to 14 hours later after they've already been arrested like i've i've never been arrested before but what i do know is that you receive your miranda rights prior to all of this like that's the first thing that a police officer is going to do right so again the argument doesn't make sense the only discrepancy that we have is this discord message and then when you take that in conduction in conjunction with what discord has said about those messages that tyler robinson never left any messages on the discord server that he that he confessed to the crime

it leaves us again with just some pretty solid evidence that can provide us with some reasonable doubt on the side of us who are just a little bit skeptical of the mainstream or the fed slop narrative that we are being told with regard to tyler robinson and what happened to charlie kirk

well i just want to say i know i did a um exploding my own theory video about two months ago and zach i saw that you recently just did one too and we both kind of covered the accurate energetic systems explosion so maybe us three could circle back again i think that having

like getting into maybe a little bit more of the how and peeling back the layers on some of the doubts about the gunshot narrative and some and some of the i mean i would say not convincing isn't the right word but very important things that should be taken into consideration with regard to some of these alternate arguments that i think should be taken seriously with regard to this because again the the 30-06 it causing that type of wound and the necklace behavior and the shirt movement there's a lot of people that have done a lot of good work on this and brandy and i have both covered as she mentioned that accurate uh energetic systems plant in tennessee that exploded that was working on a device very similar to what would have um occurred underneath charlie's shirt if that were actually the case so i think there's a again we scratched the surface on a lot of things that we we did a good job today talking about a lot of the lies the the lies for sure but if we want to start peeling back some layers on some of these other things i think that would be

a useful conversation as well for sure let's do it for another time because uh we are over an hour right now but thank you guys both of you both links will be down below for people to find you and we'll do another episode like that and we'll do maybe possible scenarios of how charlie kirk

actually died so perfect and just saying my name's brandy siciliani and you can find me on youtube x instagram and tick tock just at my full name

brandy siciliani all right i'm zach costello and you can find me on youtube at zach costello show i go live monday through friday uh between two and three sometimes 3 30 if if the show prep takes me a little bit longer but yeah you can find me there awesome well thank you guys i appreciate

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