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hello everyone and welcome back to my show um guys i'm sure you found dawn while is episode very interesting and i know whenever i do these episodes about scientists and dying and all of the people are just so curious what's happening because well first of all they feel for them and second these are people who are working for this country to be better and for for the society to be better in general like the world and they pay the ultimate price which is very unfair so i wanted to have someone in my show today who can make sense you know with me about what's going on in the scientific world and merlin ness is one of those people who can explain in a scientific way what's happening behind the scenes and i wanted to have her on just to get her perspective on what is the us working on when it gets to infectious diseases bioweapons how did we get into it what was antarox attacks what is antarox like all of this and then i'm gonna ask her what her opinions are about how we conduct this experiment so first and foremost welcome marilyn thank you so much for coming and taking time could you give us a little background of how did you get into this stuff?

Sure. I'm an internal medicine physician, although I lost my license four years ago for treating patients during COVID with hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and telling them not to be warned about the vaccines. Back in the late 80s, when I was in my 30s, I was asked to look by the Physicians for Social Responsibility to look at the work of Curtis Thorne, who was a professor at University of Massachusetts, who had Pentagon contracts to develop a better anthrax vaccine. When I read the contracts, it turned out they weren't about vaccines at all, but they were about moving plasmids, which are small round bits of DNA in between different anthrax and other bacillus species. So panthrax has a few cousins, such as bacillus thuringiensis, which makes BT toxin used on corn, for example, and others. So he had a library of bacillus species and was moving these bits of DNA that are outside of the nucleus between them to see what kind of bacteria he would generate. And this could be potentially considered offensive research. And we had signed an international treaty not to do offensive biological warfare research. And so anyway, I wrote a paper about what he was doing and what the Pentagon was paying, the kinds of anthrax research that the Pentagon was paying for at that time. And I think I published that paper in 2000, sorry, 1991. And then I also later wrote, studied all the anthrax epidemics, and in 1992 I published a paper showing that the world's largest anthrax epidemic, at least as we knew in modern times, which occurred in Rhodesia during its civil war, was due to biological warfare, could not have been a natural event because of the characteristics of the epidemic. And then later, back in 1999, I published the first detailed review article on anthrax vaccines. Now, I had never worked for the government. I was a civilian. I was really basically interested in arms control. I didn't want doctors to go the way of the physicists, you remember, after the atom bomb when they said to themselves, what have we done? So I wanted to head that off. And I thought that by publishing these papers I would be able to show that potential biological weapons attacks could be studied scientifically, could be identified as an attack and not a natural

occurrence, and therefore there would be, you know, an inhibition to use them because the perpetrator could be identified. Because before that no one had ever identified any epidemic as being due to biological warfare, although there were a lot of rumors about whether, you know, the fact that that was likely to have happened in the past. So anyway, that's what I did at the time, and of course the Gulf War sort of exploded in the middle of it, and I became a spokesperson for physicians for social responsibility on anthrax and biological warfare back then. And then And then I started studying Gulf War Syndrome, and...

I wound up giving several congressional testimonies about that and about the role that vaccines are likely to have played in Gulf War Syndrome. And then in 1998, the military started vaccinating most of its soldiers, as many as it had vaccine for, for anthrax. And there were a lot of protests. I gave several congressional testimonies and wrote papers about that. And then when other epidemics like Ebola, you know, or Zika happened, I would weigh in sometimes consulting for federal agencies. Once I consulted for the World Bank, I consulted for the Ministry of Health of Cuba.

Sorry to interrupt one second. I do want to ask you about Gulf. So most people don't even know what that is. is before we continue could you quickly explain what gulf syndrome was because they are like listening to this and i was like they probably are wondering what we're talking about and like how did you connect the dots real quick and then we can continue sure um so uh as you remember we

had a gulf war in 1990 and 1991 and um a great many soldiers were prepared for that war and most of them deployed and some stayed home but they had been vaccinated with a number of vaccines to prepare them and they were soldiers who and sailors who went had a variety a large variety of toxic exposures so they were intense with diesel heaters they were getting the exhaust from from those heaters they were being given drugs in case they were exposed to chemical weapons they they had the vaccines. They had bad food. Sometimes the water supply came in a truck that had had gasoline or diesel fuel in it before, so they were consuming some fuel that way. They created burn pits and they were exposed to the emissions from burning all sorts of things that they had brought with them and they found in the desert there. So many soldiers, at least a couple hundred thousand, became ill afterwards. And the CDC created a case definition for Gulf War syndrome, which very much resembled its definition for chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia. So soldiers, so they had a syndrome rather than a specific disease. That means a group of symptoms, but we don't know why. So that's a syndrome. They had fatigue, pain, excessive pain, both in places where they had an injury, but in other places as well. So injuries hurt a lot more. It's as if they were not able to damp down pain. And they had problems with cognition and often controlling their emotions. So that was how the illness was defined. A lot of people also had autoimmune illnesses.

So you're saying that all of this kind of tells you that it is some kind of bioweapon involved or it's just because of what they, like usual war damage, I guess, like, cause I'm not quite understanding what was the cause.

Right, so the cause is not known. And so there were a number of congressional hearings on this because as I said, were about 200,000 sick soldiers. The VA was not cooperative initially with diagnosing or treating them. They just wanted to brush it under the rug. There are several papers that suggest the more vaccines you got, the more likely you were to have this condition, but there were certainly soldiers who were not vaccinated with anthrax or smallpox or any other vaccines who also got this condition um so there's so there is no one thing but many of the soldiers who later got anthrax vaccine in 1998 about eight years later or 1999 90 had a very similar syndrome so most of us who've studied it believe that the anthrax vaccine was certainly one of the primary causes but not the only cause and it may have required that they were exposed to other toxic substances or other vaccines in order to be sufficiently exposed to noxious substances to to have this

profound physiologic effect on them wow that's very interesting so all right well um i remember

I remember some of the soldiers that I interviewed, like special forces that I interviewed, told me that they said that we had the Antorax vaccine and I was like, oh, wow, I didn't know that it was like this mess requirement for it. And then all of a sudden we have these Antorax attacks and all that. So let's continue with your career and we'll kind of circle back to this again. So what happens next?

Well, I guess the big thing next was COVID. And, you know, because of my background, I started immediately trying to read and learn everything I could. And, you know, by November, not November, by March, I had realized that the government recommendations were not of CHI quality and that there was some attempt by late March and certainly April to suppress the use of hydroxychloroquine. and then later to suppress the use of ivermectin, both of which were being used in many countries around the world successfully. And the Chinese, in fact, had instructed us and instructed a group of doctors from Johns Hopkins that chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine were the number one drugs they were using to deal with COVID. And this was in February or March of 2020. But our government suppressed the use and said, you know, stay home until your lips turn blue. Well, you know, I've been a doctor for 45 years, so you never tell patients to stay home until your lips turn blue. You try to treat them with an infectious disease as quickly as possible to prevent the reproduction of the virus or the bacteria and make the illness less severe. So that was obviously bad advice. And then there were the masks we were told to use were ineffective. You know just make up your own mask and put it on. Even in N95 you when we use them in the hospital and I've used them for many years in the hospital you have to be tested. You have to be fit tested. If a man has a beard it is believed he cannot effectively wear an N95 mask because you don't get the tight fit around your face that you require in order for it to work and you know and block out um it's called n95 because it's supposed to block out 95 of particles of of a certain size small size so certainly less uh you know five microns and mostly less in any event um i realized at some point that the government was not here to save us and I needed to do the best I could to make recommendations and give people advice, which I started doing on my blog. And I had also worked with Children's Health Defense and National Vaccine Information Center and some other organizations over the years when I'd studied vaccines. And so Children's Health Defense started publishing some of my work And, you know, Mr. Kennedy asked me to help edit three of his books that he wrote during COVID.

And I, you know, my work became much more known. And then when other people jumped in to the COVID issues, basically I moved on to work on the WHO. WHO, because the World Health Organization was being co-opted to try to gain control of global public health, and it was going to identify the emergencies, which could be biological warfare, could be epidemics, could be climate change, and what the WHO wanted to do was to be able to declare any health emergency it liked, and then tell the nations

the world what they could and could not do about it all of this is very interesting so who to me is a globalist organization um that has an agenda and they want to carry out this agenda they are overriding national interests of the countries i i've spoken to leaders of small countries who do not like what who is peddling out there and they don't agree with their guidelines and they have have their experts who are saying, absolutely not. And in response, they also constantly get, well, you'll be sanctioned, or you'll be this, or you'll be that, I'm like, what is that? So what is WHO? Talk to me about this entity that has taken control of like the world, I would say, or trying to not, they are not there yet, but they are trying to.

So the WHO was founded in, right after World War II, two, the area in New York.

So the WHO is an agency of the United Nations, and both were founded right after World War II. The Rockefeller family donated the land to build the United Nations and has been involved with it subsequently. And recently Bill Gates and two or three of his organizations have been the biggest donors, if you add them together, to the WHO. The WHO is what I call a cheap date. Its budget was only about $2 billion, $2 to $3 billion a year, and the UN budget is more like $50 or $60 billion a year. And so if you donate $500 million a year, you can control the WHO essentially. The nation states have to pay dues, but as of three years ago, the dues only covered 13% of the expenses. And so the other 87% of the money needed had to come from nations and businesses and foundations like the Gates Foundation. Bill Gates has worked with them now for about 20 years and he has been able to get a seat at the table and have his experts are donated to the WHO to do a lot of the WHO work to help with the reports and write the policies and things like that. So in 2001, after the pandemic started, national leaders who were globalists and the leaders of the WHO got together and decided to, under the guise of preventing another pandemic, the WHO would write new treaties with new policies for how we would prevent future pandemics. And what these policies were really about was to roll out vaccines very quickly with no liability, to surveil us, our pets, and our social media presence continuously, again, under the guise of looking for evidence that there might be an epidemic or a biological warfare attack happening. and so they wanted to monitor our medical records as well and that all of these records would go to the who and the who's has set up you know sub sub agencies within it to um collect this information

and study it so so national records of american people are going to who what this was the plan

This was in the treaties. That's crazy. They wanted the medical records of everybody in the world and the social media presence in order to censor us if we promulgated ideas that were not in keeping with the WHO program. I mean, this happened, remember, during the pandemic. The CEO of YouTube, who had been a sister-in-law, I think, of Sergey Brin, said we will censor anyone who puts out anything about pandemic that disagrees with the WHO. WHO's plan is to gather all the, you know,

the records of anyone and everyone in the world for what? For what? For the next pandemic to hit

and annihilate all of us? Right. But that wasn't the worst. The worst thing they wanted to do was to have every nation search for new, what they call potential pandemic pathogens. In other words, new biological warfare agents or old ones and share them with the WHO. And then the WHO would share them with vaccine companies, research centers, universities, and allow those entities to share them with anyone they wanted. So it was-

That is a disaster brewing right there.

That was proliferation of biological weapons, and that was the plan also. Crazy. They put this into these two treaties, and I founded an organization called Door to Freedom, and we spent a year, a year and a half, making everybody aware of what was going on. I traveled to eight parliaments and spoke. I spoke to many members of Congress. and we also educated the attorney generals and the governors in the United States and eventually we got 49 governors, 22 attorney generals, 26 governors, sorry senators, 49 senators, 26 governors, 22 Attorney Generals to say, you know, we're not putting up with this. And two states passed laws, Oklahoma and Louisiana saying, we are not going to comply with any orders from the WHO. Yeah.

And see, like this matters, like Meryl, people are so like, their hope is not there anymore. They think if they speak up, nothing matters, but they are capable to change something. It does matter. like some there are some senators some congress people that simply don't know and they can't know everything and this this is very important so i'm glad that you're saying that things can be changed if you educate people in your district um in congress this happens so um did you ever face any opposition from a congressman or senator and said like we're not going to listen to you like who were they because this is very important too these are people we voted and vote out so this

it is important who declined you so in the beginning when we tried to explain what was happening um i remember being on a call with i'm not going to mention which one but one attorney general who said this isn't possible because the constitution wouldn't allow it this can't be happening you must be wrong but by the end of you know a year and a half he was educated and he came along and signed the declaration with us. So you're right. I mean, it was a completely crazy thing that anyone who understood it would never go along with it. And what the WHO was banking on was the fact that no one knew what was going on. They were able to keep it out of the mainstream media entirely. And so we had to work using podcasts and all the things we do, trying to get organizations to educate their members. And we were very successful. Luckily, luckily, we were very successful. And I'm hoping we can use this strategy again now to convince the Trump administration about some of the Maha agenda, which they have ignored. But anyway, So that's what we did. So back in May, a year and a half ago, by then the pandemic treaty and the amendments to the existing international health regulations had been watered down. There were many drafts and as we kept protesting, they kept leaving things out. So eventually the surveillance was still there and the censorship but pretty much everything else got taken out and the nations voted well they didn't they don't vote because the WHO doesn't believe in votes they're like a consensus procedure where you don't know how anyone feels and they just say we you know we got it passed by consensus so they passed the international health regulations and And then this past May, they passed the same way, you know, without a vote, sort of a statement that all the nations wanted to pass a pandemic treaty, but they had never come to any agreement about this business, about the potential pandemic pathogens and sharing them with the WHO and proliferating them around the world. So what the WHO was offering these third world countries was if you give us your pathogens and companies develop drugs or vaccines against them, we'll give you the royalties. And the nation said, well, look, what if you don't develop vaccines and drugs? We don't get anything and you're getting the biological weapons. That's crazy.

It's like bribing a child with something. And then, yeah, it's crazy, absolutely crazy. So what happened next?

So they couldn't pass the treaty without this section, which was the main section, the main thing that the globalists, the globalist cabal wanted. They wanted to gain control of all the biological weapons. And so they are now having meetings of negotiators from a number of countries to try to see if they can come up with something that the nations will agree to, you know, and that the WHO wants. And so that's what they're doing now. They're just having meetings every month or two.

Yeah, they're plotting behind the scenes. It's not, you know, it's funny, like they have these think tanks, right, that helps them get their agenda passed and they meet people like the foreign country presidents, like whether it's Georgia, Ukraine, whatever, and in this like think tanks, they do what they cannot do openly and they do it quietly behind the scenes. So I want to talk about a couple of things. I think Americans realized long ago, at least after COVID, the realization.

hit a lot of them, that these globalist elites do not want this bioweapons against any enemy. Like it is against all people who stand in front of them. So it doesn't matter your American, French, Georgian, Russian, it doesn't matter. It will be used on you. And we know this because our own government in the United States did something called sea spray when they poisoned San Francisco citizens and killed their own people over what? An experiment that Navy and the CIA wanted to conduct? I'm sure you know the Operation Seaspray. When they pushed the bacteria in the fog openly, people got sick, they died, and they hushed it up. It was secret until the documents got declassified. Then we've learned that our government killed our own citizens. And this is not the only time we had the French village in Sainsbury. You probably know that too, LSD experiments. So, like I said, it doesn't matter who you are. Americans are not protected. Neither are Russians, neither are Canadians. If this globalist cabal gets their way, we are all doomed. Now, what needs to be done, Meryl, in your opinion?

Let me just interrupt. So, you know, this operation in San Francisco, where they sprayed a bacteria, serratomarcessans, on the population. The army claimed it was benign, but it was not benign if you were immunologically compromised. So people did die. I mean, they killed people. Yes, they died.

You know, so they can call it benign or whatever. They killed American citizens. That's murder, period. Yes, it was.

And there was a lawsuit. And Leonard Cole wrote a book about it called Clouds of Secrecy. But that wasn't the only, there were many experiments. There were experiments with a simulant for anthrax, again, you know, dangerous if you're immune compromised, in the New York City subways, in tunnels in Pennsylvania, even off the shore of the town where Nixon, Richard Nixon, lived in Southern California. So there were fungi sprayed, there were bacteria, and there were also a toxic...

Hold on. I don't know about this case. Can you tell me really in short, like, because I'm very interested in all of this. I know the lab leaks existed. That is like given. It was like three different occasions when we lost control. But what was going on with this village with Richard Nixon? What was it?

No, it was similar to San Francisco that they sprayed. I forget. San Clemente was the town. And it and so off the coast of San Clemente, they also sprayed these. and they just sprayed it like just for an experiment like yes it was they claimed these were all experiments so these were in the 50s and 60s but then later uh i don't remember the name of the um experiments but in the ocean they took uh guys in the navy and they sprayed their ships also with um toxic substance to see what would happen um there were also individuals who were in the military who were given like extra leave if they would be experimental subjects and they were exposed to chemical weapons and some of them died. I was told by a friend of them. Now in about 1976, those experiments from the 50s and 60s were released to Congress in a declassified army report. That's how I read about them. Thanks to, I believe, Frank Church.

It was a church committee that blew up this whole thing, yes.

Right. And a guy named Pike. So Church did it in the Senate and Pike did it in the House. And so they're very interesting to read. And in Britain, the same thing has happened. It seems like they've exposed soldiers to a variety of toxic substances. They said they were doing experiments on the common cold, but exposing them to chemical weapons, for example. But they also exposed towns, US cities, where they sprayed I think cadmium perhaps. And then there were places in Florida where they released mosquitoes that had some sort of keratin infection, don't remember what. So it is, because when you're in the military, you can keep things secret and people are charged with making sure the United States has quote-unquote readiness. These are the things that are done routinely. Also, the United States Army wanted, you know, we had a draft until 1970 and most everybody who got drafted went went to Vietnam. Well, the Seventh-day Adventists were against

they were, what do you call it, they were refusers. There's a name for them. And anyway, they were conscientious objectors. And so the leaders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church made a deal with the army that their conscientious objector young men would agree to be guinea pigs at Fort Detrick for these biological warfare experiments. And so it was the white coat program. And again, I knew somebody who was one of the people in that program and and they were experimented on and some of them, you know, developed chronic illnesses,

probably most did not. You know, it's very unfair. But I, you know, I'm not surprised because these are very, very evil people doing very bad things and they thrive on doing this. Like they like it or otherwise they wouldn't do it. So they always lied to military. They did the same thing right after Korean War. They lied to them. They were like, well, it's, you know, it's harmless. You might, you might experience like headaches or nausea or whatever, but it's harmless, it's going to go away in two to three months. What? You know, it's crazy. And I just feel so sad for our military because on one hand, they come out and they praise military and they install this like love and honor, whatever. And on the other hand, they are experimenting on absolutely unwitting military members that they're lied to and there's nothing they can do about it. It's crazy. So talk to me more about, I want to, I've discussed COVID so much that I think people have COVID fatigue at this point. But I do want to ask you, COVID was a bioweapon, at least in my opinion, it was it was being prepped as a bioweapon in case they needed to use it. I don't know. And quite honestly, I don't care if they deliberately released it or accidentally released it, because if I deliberately or accidentally hurt someone, the result is the same either way. Right. So, yeah, intention matters, but result was that we got, you know, a ton of people died because of this bioweapon. How, like, explain to me this system that the United States and I specifically mentioned the United States, because we have been the leading party when it gets to teaching other countries how to develop bioweapons and pay their labs to do so. So not that only we have the labs in the U.S. Now we expanded. We had labs in Ukraine. Nuland attest to it. He said, yes, we don't want Russians to get hands up. Why? Why? Russians might discover something that we are hiding, like might discover that we are conducting some bio research on bioweapons, like, you know, a few kilometers away from their borders. Is that what it is? So talk to me about these programs. Do you know anything about foreign lab programs where we can concoct these bioweapons like Wuhan and these places? And do you know where the funding comes from and how this ended up in fruition, this whole thing? I watched what the Russians presented

to the UN a few years ago, and there wasn't enough to say that the lab was doing biological weapons experiments, but it was doing something with anthrax among other microorganisms. So it certainly could have been. So why would the United States establish all of these bio labs in Ukraine and other nations? I know that Peter Daszak was collecting samples from at least 30 and maybe 40 to 50 labs in over 30 countries. And those were being sent back to Fort Dietrich or to the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, which is another part of the Defense Department, now the Department of War, but used to be the Defense Department. And I, from what I know, I would think that the worst experiments were probably not going on overseas because we wouldn't necessarily be able to control them, you know, the, what happens if a government-

Yeah, you don't want to trust your best, you know, the bioweapons with either China or whatever. It's probably over here. I agree with that because just a previous episode with anthrax attacks, I had level four scientists who told me that when they came across this like anthrax attacks they had never seen anthrax in a powder like they said even for us as experienced as we were it was something new we didn't know how to produce anthrax in a in a powder shape of you know matter it wasn't But, I mean, they've been able to make a powder before. But the fact that the individual spores repelled each other and stayed in the air. So previously it had been claimed that once anthrax hits the ground, you know, it sticks to the dirt and it isn't going to be a problem except for animals eating things on the ground. But this anthrax remained airborne for a long time and didn't stick. so they would once the particles clump together and they become larger than five microns in size um then you don't have to worry about inhaling them deep into your lungs because the particle is too big um to get there so that was the issue exactly the method for producing it was claimed to be unique was it really unique you know who knows did it even come from this country who knows I won't get into the reasons I think it was an inside job but there were there were claims made that were lies so it was said that you know there were only a couple of countries that had this Ames anthrax, Ames being a particular strain. I knew that was not true. I mean, I'd been to several of the international anthrax meetings. I knew that Ames was the main strain against which vaccines were being tested

because it was considered... Hold on for a second. This is very interesting. you're saying it's not it was not true that it was isolated from the cow like this whole story

is not true it may have been isolated from a cow i mean at one time probably was but it was the most aims is the most um or was considered to be at the time the most vaccine resistant strain and therefore it was used to test uh vaccines to see if if they if if an animal had been protected with a vaccine and then you infected them with AIMS strain, would the vaccine protect or not? And I knew those experiments were going on in a number of countries, including countries that the FBI was not investigating. Could you name those? Because I had it in my investigation. No, I studied this 20 years ago, so I can't remember all of it. I will name one, Israel.

I asked the scientist who was actually investigating this attack, Henry Haynes. i had him in the show uh and he with bruce hena h-e-i-n-e yes yes yes yes so you know you know henry i i know of him yes yes so he was in in my show he worked with bruce ivans who they ended up pinning the entire case on i feel so sad for the guy complete nonsense of course he was not behind this and they prepped him as a victim and then they suicided him i knew him for a long you know

I met him in 1991. He was a friend of mine. And I think they drove him to suicide. He supposedly took a bottle or two bottles of Tylenol with Benadryl. I'm not sure how he kept them down without vomiting, but that will kill you and it takes a few days. And it did take a few days. And the FBI knew what he had done because he'd bought the bottles the same day. He'd gone to the drugstore twice and bought a bottle each time and they had that evidence and there is um an antidote and the fbi did not tell the hospital what he had taken did not offer the antidote and so he developed liver failure and he died after i don't know four days yes so henry said

the same thing it's just he told me that he would have taken from what he knew and the the amount he took it would have taken way more time and they he said that you disagree with that usually takes

about about four or five days so i actually had to learn this stuff and deal with this is very

good information for me but he did say that they completely isolated uh him like he they took away

his support system right yes he was an emotional person they they deliberately you see they had gone through about six people before him trying to pin the case on on one of these patsies they were desperate and they went to fort dietrich and they actually he was henry probably told you he wasn't the only one they had two or three other people at fort they were also harassing and bruce was the weakest link in the chain you know he broke first and he when they told him they were going to charge him with the crime and

and asked for, you know, the death penalty, he overdosed. That was it.

On the night of July 26th, Ivans takes excessive amounts of acetaminophen, a pain reliever that in extremely high doses can cause organ failure. At 1 a.m., his wife finds him comatose on the bathroom floor. The Justice Department names him as the bioterrorist behind the 2001 attacks.

Based upon the totality of the evidence we had gathered against him, we are confident that Dr. Ivins was the only person responsible for these attacks. After Ivins died, the case was shut and hasn't been pursued by the FBI since then.

Yeah, no, I totally agree with you because I heard, and what's funny is that Henry told me when they investigated all of them, they would tell Henry, Bruce said this and this about you. Right. And the same would go down with everyone else. Like they would isolate them. And Henry was kind of, you know, secure enough that he was like, I don't see Bruce saying that about me. And if he did, he probably did because you pressured him. But it's not true. But that was not Bruce's reaction. Because like you said, everyone that I spoke to about Bruce, they all said, first, he didn't do it. Second, he's anything but guilty here. And third, he was very emotional human being. And that's very, very important. Yes. Many scientists are manipulated and they get you with this patriotic, you know, rhetoric, right? Oh, we are doing this because we want to oppose other countries who are developing these weapons and we got to do it too. We got to protect Americans. And many scientists, as smart as they should be, I want to say, buy into this bullshit. How is that happening, Meryl? Why would a smart guy buy into this bullshit? Why not say, I don't care about this, I quit, and I'm going to blow the whistle on this?

We saw during COVID that your IQ had nothing to do with whether you saw through the bullshit. And in fact, the more education you had, the harder it was for you to see through. So I'm not surprised. There are a lot of people who, you know, I mean, the United States government has probably spent many billions of dollars to make Americans hate communism, hate Russia, hate Cuba, you know, hate Muslims, hate blah, blah, blah, and scare them. And, yeah, there are many scientists who are willing, look, there's always been scientists who are willing to work on ethically questionable scientific projects in whatever country you go to. Some people do it for money, some people do it for the scientific interest, some people do it because they can't get a job anywhere else. But you're always going to find these people, especially when we've stopped teaching ethics and morals in school, and people don't even know what the law is. They don't know what's legal and illegal. A lot of these scientists have no idea that the work they're doing, you know, is prohibited by an international treaty, for instance, gain of function research. So, you know, if you didn't go along with what Fauci wanted, you were blacklisted and you lost your career for the rest of your life.

So true. And I will tell you something that I never said on the show, because I don't want to cause problems for this person. I'm not going to mention the person, but I was investigating Don Wiley's death because we know that he was killed. It's obvious. Lead detective says so. So I called up his fellow scientists, okay? And I'm talking to them. And each and every one of them mentioned something very interesting and important. So they said we had weekly calls with Fauci. And I'm like, hold on. Do you work for Dr. Fauci? They said, no. Okay, so do you have anything to do with St. Jude's Hospital? Do you have anything? No. All right. So why are you receiving weekly calls with Fauci? Why are you sitting on weekly calls with Fauci? What is going on there? Well, who is this guy? You know, like, do you probably, I don't know, possibly have an explanation of why would a scientist agree to a weekly call with Fauci if they have nothing to do with Fauci? They don't work for him or with him. So in their own heads, like they were taking an advice from Fauci.

Yeah. I mean, who knows? I mean, Fauci, in my view, was basically the Mafia Don of virology and to a lesser extent, biology. So you would ask a question before. I knew of five different federal agencies that funded Peter Daszak and that have funded, you know, overseas biolabs. So you've got several. different parts of NIH. You've got the National Science Foundation. You have the Army with DITRA and USAID and the State Department. All funding labs. So, you know, you try to shut one of these octopus arms down but you have others. And there's probably classified funding as well that we don't

even know about so okay what's the solution i always start with a problem in this podcast and i always try to somehow wrap it up with any kind of solution and i always ask a person who's more qualified to talk about this what they think is the solution because i can throw like all kinds of solutions that i think is is necessary but i'm not a professional right and you've been around

this more than I have. What is the solution here? So, to start this, I mean, solving biological weapons is a big problem, but the start is to actually make the treaty work that went into effect in 1975 that the United States initiated, the Biological Weapons Convention. It was quickly, for a treaty, quickly negotiated and signed with the promise that there would be efforts made to add inspections, ways of verifying that no nation was transgressing the treaty, and that there would be punishments put in place if you were found to have gone against it. And so there were every five years there was a meeting of parties and there was a lot of negotiation. And in 2001, when they were ready to roll out these new rules for the treaty, the United States blew everything up and said we're walking out, we don't want it, we disagree. Now, I suspect one of the reasons was because we probably used biological weapons during the Vietnam War and they didn't want that released. The Russians also, we knew they were making biological weapons, because they'd had an unexpected release in Sverdlovsk, you know, of anthrax in 1979. So probably, you know, they didn't know neither country wanted these things investigated. So for now, 24 years since then, there has been no attempt to make the existing biological weapons convention treaty actually work. Now, if under the Trump administration and Bobby Kennedy, we could go back to 2001, complete the negotiations for inspections, verification, and punishments. We could then immediately after that, we could start inspecting each other. So they're challenged inspection. So I could say, I want to investigate that lab in Sverdlovsk, you know, and then we would be able to investigate Russia. Or Russia could say, I want to investigate that lab on Plum Island. In 1991, there were inspections in Britain, the US, and Russia. They inspected each other. And Russia did say, we want to go to Plum Island. And they went to Plum Island. And the US and UK were able to go to Russia and inspect some of their sites. So that was accomplished then. It's something that can be done. It's done, you know, with the Chemical Weapons Convention, and that would be a start. And then President Trump issued an executive order to stop biological weapons work, gain of function work here, and to stop

funding it overseas. Now that executive order needs either legislation or rules and regulations to make it work, and those rules and regulations have not been rolled out yet. So that needs to happen. And then we need to go back and do what was done in 1972 and say, look, we are unilaterally giving up all gain-of-function and biological weapons. We want everyone else to do the same. And in 1972, the other countries said okay, except for a few. So there's over 180 countries that have signed that treaty and ratified it, but Israel is one of about 10 that have not. So next time we have to get everybody to go along and everybody has to agree to be inspected. You know, I think every, I mean, it's to everybody's advantage except the globalists who want to control these weapons and be able to roll out pandemics at will. And we have to stop that. And you know, when odd outbreaks occur, they have to be studied very carefully, you know. there was just an outbreak of Marburg in Africa again, you know, where did it come from? Was it natural or was it not natural? We have to do that, but at the moment, it's sort of in no one's interest to do those studies. Because what do you- Absolutely.

What are you going to do with- It's Africa, right? It's Africa, it's so sad. And I don't want to go in detail, just like yes or no answer here would do. What do you think about Ebola? Was it manufactured Ebola? Do you think so? Obviously we cannot prove that, but.

So what often occurs is that a bacteria or a virus in this case is discovered and then labs work on it to see if they can make it more virulent, more transmissible or add something so that it impairs the immune system. There are a lot of different things you can do to one of these viruses. So I think that happens in countries around the world. And as far as I'm aware, the outbreaks have been natural in East and Central Africa, but the West African outbreak, where it flew over a thousand miles from where it had ever been seen before, there were many odd coincidences regarding that outbreak. And the fact that the WHO did not want to jump in and help and Doctors Without Borders, you know, Médecins Sans Frontières, was sort of left for nine or 10 months managing it on their own. That was very odd and suggested to me that maybe the globalists wanted it to spread. spread. In any event, Ebola is not a respiratory infection, so it doesn't spread easily between people. You have to be exposed to some body fluid to catch a bowl, whereas you only have to breathe in the air, you know, for a respiratory virus. So finally, it was controlled, and there were, I think, roughly 10,000 deaths, which isn't huge, you know, for a whole continent, but still was by far the biggest outbreak, the largest number of deaths from Ebola that anyone had heard of. So these things are, they can lend themselves to being biological weapons, but they are not going to spread across the world the way uh you know covet did covet did yeah so one more question for you and this was

very interesting because when rfk came out and talked about he got so much and i was like he's right he's right and you know if you take if you go about this with logic there's everything that he said makes sense right so he said that covet being a biological weapon in a sense um affected certain genes more than the others right so let's say yes and then you have i want to connect the dots with you real quick so you have davos and you have uh was it prince of uh elizabeth the second's husband what's his name i forgot the print the one who died just recently philip that's right so you've got philip saying well you know i think the biggest challenge right now for all humanity's population what like you mean you the people are the problem here right so we know they told us it's not elizabeth lane's opinion they told us we want to depopulate the earth there are too many people we got to figure something out and all of a sudden you have these bioweapons that can do it perfectly for you because we got it to the perfection when we can depopulate certain nations more than the others if we wanted to. In theory, that can be

done, period. There are a lot of different things in what you said. The first is that, yes, there are some conditions that affect one race differently than another, and we know from documents that have been released from South Africa that they were working on race-specific biological weapons to kill Black people. We know that before it became a majority Black-ruled country in 1993, so prior to that. We know that certain vaccines are more effective in one race than another. Even Greg Poland has said so. It's in a lot of papers. So, you know, what the media is always trying to do with Bobby Kennedy is make him out to be something that he isn't. When he talked about the fact that at least during World War II, you know, the people could potentially climb over the Alps, you know, and get into Switzerland and escape from the Nazis, and then he used that as an example, but today with all of our surveillance, there's nowhere to hide, there's nowhere to go. That was what he was saying and they made it sound, you know, the media made it sound like he was, you know, bashing the Holocaust, right? You know, it was kind of crazy. Now, I think you're right. So there have been people and nations that are willing to do things to their own population. We certainly have had allegations that vaccines for tetanus contained HCG. HCG is a hormone that is required to maintain a pregnancy. So women in Kenya were given tetanus vaccines that contained HCG and it's alleged by a number of doctors and Catholic bishops, I think, in Kenya, that these were birth control. They could not have children because they made antibodies to HCG. The same thing has been alleged in the Philippines before Kenya. So I don't know if these allegations have been never resolved. Absolutely. I don't know if they're true, but the fact that a lot of professional people have made the allegation suggests that there's probably something to it. We also know that there were UN agencies that were writing about the need for population control back in the 50s and that Henry Kissinger was also writing and talking about that. So whether they, we also know that these sorts of people are aware that you have limited options if you want to reduce the population you have war you have starvation and you have infection that's it absolutely and you

can you can manufacture things so you can make women not fertile and they've been doing that

so successfully it's crazy yeah and and apparently the coveted vaccines also reduced fertility to an extent. Not in everybody and maybe only temporarily. So there we have it. We really don't know what's going on. Transparency is crucial. We hoped that under Trump we would be able to get a handle on all this and we haven't gotten a handle at all. Apart from his very good executive order and another executive order that we need gold standard science. We can't keep publishing garbage to fool everybody. But we haven't seen the fruits of these things. And I think unless he is able to give the American public what it wants and start really making strong efforts to prevent biological warfare and the development of biological weapons and other Maha initiatives, he's going to lose the midterms, lose the next presidential election, and we're right back to

square one. I couldn't agree more. I mean, this was so informative. I knew it would be, but this was way more informative than I thought. Well, thank you so much.