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hello everyone we are back with yet another episode and this one is very interesting because this is all about your temple your body and what you put in it and what you should not put in it So we will discuss pretty much everything. We'll try to cover what is Maha doing to save our health, if anything, and what has changed since RFK took office. I hope that we will be detailed enough so that we can teach you maybe what to do to stay healthy. And maybe we can kill chronic disease and it's 75% like, you know, with this episode, at least we can do something. Our amazing guests are back with us. But we have someone joining us today. Brooke's partner is joining us today. AJ, where are you right now?

Cody, Wyoming.

Well, thank you so much, AJ, for joining us. I know you know a lot about this topic, so I can't wait to kind of pick your brain about some stuff. We'll open up with, like, first and foremost, what is Maha doing to save us? I know you're up to date on this stuff.

Yeah. My biggest observation is all of us who really are fans of what Maha stands for or meant or we think it means, it's still that. But there are some strategies that become very apparent when a new administration gets in and you can't just flip the switch on some of these things. So, you know, we as human beings, we fill the gaps in our brain where we don't have answers with worst case scenario, especially in days, times like now. And so I think a little bit of faith, patience and support will go a long way because, look, I was as big of a critic as everybody else after the election and like not seeing the things being done that we wanted. But I also knew I didn't have all the I didn't have all the pieces. Right. I'm not in D.C. I'm not in Washington. So I don't know what they're really up against. The more I get introduced to what's happening there, I have great faith and confidence in the people we have. There's just some things that are going to be pretty difficult to get done that we just didn't realize had other strings attached. So I see the Maha reports and things as – that's coming out as like, okay, we're moving in the right direction. They're doing what they can over here because there's no limitations. There's no restrictions, but this side needs some strategy because the other thing too is whatever they do has to stick. If they do something great for our country, whoever gets elected next could wipe it away if they don't make it stick to actually last.

Absolutely. You know, I want to kind of dive into nitty-gritty right away. So we might fight in this podcast, guys. I love fighting. So I'm a huge fan of red meat, and I know that humans were designed to eat it. But Jason is not. So you thought I was not going to do this?

I was born and raised differently, right? So I never ate meat in my life.

So you're listening to your body, right? That's exactly what you should do.

Not necessarily. Okay. Let me rephrase. I'm not against eating meat. Right. Just because I was born and raised without eating meat doesn't mean I – you know those vegans that are, like, really annoying?

Uh-huh. It's not me.

I'm not one of those people whatsoever. I think that there are some people that meat is the best thing in the world for them. And I think there are some people, for example, people that come from ancestries that live closer to the equator, their lineage didn't have as much meat. So like if I came from Ireland, yeah, I should probably be eating meat. If I came from Ecuador, I don't know.

Right.

Unless you come from a lineage that has been eating it for thousands and thousands and thousands of years or even centuries.

I agree.

So I was just born and raised that way. Although meat has helped a lot of people overcome some really big diseases. So I don't think it's black or white. I think that there's a, we're all different. I agree.

I completely agree. And this way I feel very sad for dietitians and nutritionists because it's like your job is not really a job. It's like no matter where you take this, you're going to be wrong at some point.

Oh, and it's a huge, it's a huge topic too. Like just as a presenter, I have had so many doctors, so many nutritionists, so many scientists, And I get the entire spectrum of what is making us sick? What is happening? You know, and obviously we focus a lot on the injections, but the food is a big part of it. And what I've come away with, honestly, is that every single human, to your point, is completely unique and different. And you really have to pay attention to what works for your body. And also, like simplifying everything. I just recently had a couple great interviews with, you know, people who are in this health space and things like.

the sun getting enough like being in the sun sleep every day like really focusing on getting a good night's sleep your feet in the ground like grounding and we're electrical energy those energy we're electrical beings and i have a story like my kids i have three kids and they are all beach volleyball players and we're in new york state so it's you know it's unusual but we travel all over and they are convinced the kids are convinced that they are so healthy and so health and so healthy and happy because they are constantly in the sun like all day they're exercising they're sweating their feet are in the ground and then the things that go into your body i think it goes through your stomach and then it you know it's important but you can filter out toxins that your body doesn't like and that's just my lay person i'm not a scientist that's just kind

of what i've gleaned but i think you can also use logic like i'll fire off a few things here you have this whole movement now when it comes to not eating meat of substitutions that's stupid because if you're going to choose between a steak and like beyond meat you're dumb if you're eating

especially if you're someone anyone eat beyond meat it doesn't make sense it makes no sense so

if you're going to eat something eat it the way that it was made now there are other sides of arguments where outside like the whole substitute meat and substitute this and that i think is absolutely ridiculous my reason for continuing to eat the way that i eat and i don't mean to sound like an asshole here it's not about the animals i don't like killing animals i love animals but like i'll wear leather shoes like i'll have a fur jacket i know the background of it i know it's disgusting no i'm with you i'm with you like so so i just want to put that out there but it's My reason was more so for, forget meat. I mean, bread, dairy, all those things. I really do feel different when I was eating that and when I wasn't eating that. Like you said, you were grain free. It changes a lot of things. So when you're talking about the energy of the food itself, and this is not black and white, this is just one of my reasonings for continuing moving forward outside of how I was raised. You are what you eat. And this is just my opinion. when you eat food that has a higher water concentration to matter concentration it's a less physical food so you'll see if you take the same person and feed them only fruits and vegetables for a period of time even only fruits forget vegetables right only fruits for a period of time and then only meat for a period of time scientifically their brain chemistry will change now it's not about better or worse it's just going to change the way that the individual

absolutely like yeah you're you're whatever you're putting in your body that's like you become it you become it yeah and you're depressed because you haven't had meat

so i mean it's not really we don't need to go into it but our soils are so minerally deficient and depleted that you know to the point of like everyone is different that's true we're born in different areas which mean our genetic code is like built for an area where the food that grows there naturally is probably a better option for you to start there right and eating seasonally and all that stuff but when it comes to diet or like the necessary need to increase red red meat for someone who is anemic or whatever it is that it could solve some problems for them for sure a lot of the things that people are dealing with you almost you have to be willing to pivot with Your views are what might be seen as the best diet for you because of things outside of your control that have now affected the way your body functions and works together. I mean, we're literally in a time where, you know, I think that the best foot forward is just focus, you know, many things to focus on. But when in terms of food is first and foremost, if you really care about what you're putting in your body, the best place to get anything you're eating is directly from the producer, from the person who grew it. and an independent rancher, farmer, whatever it is, because that is the first person that you could put most of your trust in, regardless of like a finishing protocol, right? People getting so consumed with like grass-fed, grass-finished. Well, there's a lot of weird policy in there that you probably aren't even getting, unless you know the rancher, you probably aren't even getting what you think you're getting because we have no, you know, country of origin labeling laws. We don't have good labeling laws. You know, there's countless things that are still up against us when we're just trying to be as healthy as possible. So when it comes to like fruit or vegetables and things like that, again, a farmer's market or your own backyard is the best way you could actually be, you could guarantee. I tried that. I suck at food. Your mom does well, though. My mom has a big garden. Yeah.

You get like, you know, the green thumb, mine's black. Don't leave it to mom.

Aren't there rumors, though, about organic? And I have heard people saying that organic has even been hijacked. Oh, yeah. Do you want me to tell you a story about that? I would love to hear. You know this story. I told you about this story. So I ended up on this Hollywood party where you could see pretty much every star, like literally every star. Again, I'm not going to name names, but I have the receipts if you want to see the pictures and everything else. So I'm there with my friends who just, you know, made a movie, blah, blah, blah. So we are there. And the guy who hosted the party has nothing to do with Hollywood, but kind of owns everything in Hollywood. And above that, he owns oil businesses. He owns agriculture.

Oh, you were in the upper, upper room.

Oh, yes. I was in the upper, upper room. You cover your drink. Don't get rude. So, no, you know. Hold your breath. I have to say, guys, you know, like, you know, saying, no, don't get roofied. You know what's crazy about this? When you're in the upper, upper room, there are no roofies. Don't worry. They are not going to ruin their parties. It's somewhere in the middle, like with Didi kind of stuff, right? No, no, no. This is all serious. Like the people that were there, they are all serious. There was not no extra alcohol, no nothing. And the food was shipped from Europe. and I'm like okay and anyway so we got to talking and I realized that I'm seeing like these pictures with Clinton's Obama all these pictures I'm like oh my gosh this guy probably like works somewhere in politics and I don't know about him and after the party was done I found out a no he doesn't work for Clinton's or Obama's they work for him of course yes so he explains to me how he did this amazing thing with organic food and how he cheated the system. And he explains that even the label organic that they put it out there, he figured out in his particular company how to concoct an organic cocktail that you could still put on food that grows faster, but it's actually worse than usual pesticides. And I'm sitting there and he what's crazy, guys, is that some people really don't get it. These narcissistic individuals, they are like, well, it's not my fault. I'm doing what's good for business. I'm the exceptional businessman here. It's the system that's faulty. Well, guess what? He's right. Both. Like it's the system that fought, but you're kind of narcissistic too. So you're telling me that you're killing people through this cocktail that you concocted that is all organic, but put together is a bomb, like causes cancer and so on. And you're putting this on organic food and you can get away with the labeling because it's all organic yeah yeah or

certified organic has been uh greenwashed that's the term right greenwashed so take something that's good and then you get these big corporations that pay lobbyists to to change the rules to allow certain things to sneak by and then you get a few years away from when that label was first started to signal to consumers it's good for them but now it's been ruined you're right you get a few years away from when it's first implemented. These big companies, they see, oh, man, I can make a lot of money if I just label that thing certified organic. I'm doing the same thing, so I'll just label it that. But then the gentleman you met, that's exactly who's doing that. They're lobbying to get certain things passed so that they can still grow in mass quantities for maximum efficiency for the purpose of maximum profit, not carrying the downstream consequences that it's having on the consumers because, like you said, it's all about the money. And it's not my fault. It's the system well you are the one who leveraged the system you're the one who corrupted the system right because you had the money and so yeah it's greenwashing is a big problem a big conversation now is like regenerative agriculture holistic management and they're now trying to do the same thing right because the consumer got very well informed about the benefits of regenerative agriculture and all the things and now you have big corporations trying to find ways to circumvent those rules of what it takes to be able to label it that just so that they can keep up with the the trend and the and the revenue that's coming in for those that are actually doing it so i've met many older ranchers older farmers they're in their 70s 80s now because certified organic has been along for enough been around long enough that these folks were doing organic because that was what was normal for them right take an amish community that just is growing food traditionally well they're already doing that and so here's somebody comes by and says hey if you put this label on there you're going to be able to sell that to the customer for more money because you are putting in more effort and there is more nutritional value so you should you know that's the early days of certified organic now all of these older farmers have left because over the years they started seeing the corruption come in and so they're like we're out we're still doing it the right way but now i no longer trust your label so i'm getting rid of that and when you talk to him now, they have to, you know, know signal we're beyond organic because i'm if they're using organic to signal synthetic fertilizers that are just as bad for us as the other ones then i have to have a new term so that the consumer knows that it's not organic it's beyond because we're actually doing and it gets really confusing for the consumers and then we don't know where to go and who to trust aj can i

ask you a question about for example bill gates we we kind of gone back to that right he was a he's a farmer he's a farmer he's a farmer he's the largest farmland owner is an organic farmer right is that yeah yeah what are your thoughts on that like his proximity now and what is this appeal thing like i'm not very informed on this and i want to it's a coding that's what does it

do uh it preserves you know it's like you always wanted to you want you tell someone like if you're a dietitian or in fitness and nutrition it's you you help people start changing what they're eating and changing their purchasing habits at the grocery store by saying, okay, your health really matters to you. When you go to the grocery store, you want to just hang out on the exterior, right, the outside, because that's where the fridges are at, that's where our produce is at, that's where the meat's at, dairy, eggs, all the things, whole foods. And then when you get in the aisles, that's where you have anything that's been manufactured. It has a shelf life that can last a lot longer. Well, appeal is taking the produce and now making it last longer. Oh, no. okay and it's been cleared and it's a pudding being put on organic food that's insane that's insane so again i just tell everyone listening to this right now that if you care about what you're eating the best thing you can do is go directly to the farm or the rancher to get it

okay guys let's get it let's get into like real stuff too farmer's market okay i go to farmer's market i still find shit there people want real information best stores to go to and buy if they don't have the access i don't have the in my time like during my day i don't have enough time to find a freaking farmer like where am i gonna find him like hours away like i can't do that hey aj

why don't you talk about what from the farm is everyone here is trying to figure out how to find healthy food yeah that that's actually why we exist right so we built a platform that the idea is to be like Airbnb, but for local food, for that exact reason. Consumers have been so far removed from how their food is grown that they have forgotten how to go back and source it at the source. And so in this modern time, knowing that there's that big disconnect, we needed to build a system that made it easier to go out and shake the hand that feeds you. And so that's why we built from the farm so that the farmer doesn't have to spend any time doing the marketing because that's so time-consuming like anybody listening to this if you're in business and you have to do marketing you know how expensive and time-consuming that is absolutely shipping is the biggest problem

i i was told in tennessee with like local farmers that we can listen we've got the goods we can't ship it anywhere it costs us too much and then the customer can't buy it anymore so do you guys have any solutions because if you do wow you you just hit the gold gold mine we have right yeah

We have a lot of solutions that are in the works with health issues that my family has seen through the years and is seeing today and that I'm dealing with with myself. I don't think if there is an option to either grow it yourself, go to your neighbor, order it on from the farm or go directly to your rancher. I don't think you should ever justify unless there's nothing else, unless you have nothing else purchasing from a grocery store, unless you know exactly where it's coming from. And that is very hard to do when you if you're not going to if you're not shaking the hand of the man or the woman or the family or the generational family that they're the ones doing it. They're stewarding the ground, right? And I think one of the most amazing things that everyone can put the trust into a independent producer is the fact that their livelihood is that ranch, is that farm, which means you can feel confident that they're doing everything in their power to steward the ground so they can guarantee for themselves they'll even have an opportunity for a harvest the next year. So if you're just, you know, willy nilly or handling your property or handling your animals in a way that's very much like the consolidation monopolization of the big ag, you probably aren't going to last very long because you're not taking care of the ground. You're not taking care of the animals. It's a whole picture, whole food, whole picture.

Can your platform help? What comes to me first is people who live in cities. They're not near farms. Forget about farmer's market. They're busy. They don't have time. How does that solve that issue in a convenient way?

You log on, you order, you know either if it's a producer that's near the area.

state. We, again, AJ, I love it. Every state? Yeah. We're working on it. Yep. Yeah. We're in,

we have a hundred producers in 35 states currently. We're growing, right? This is a, this is a community initiative. We refuse to take money from private equity or venture capital because we're building this by and for the people. And so it takes a little longer to build a system that way, right? If we went and raised 10 million from a private equity, we could have scaled it much quicker, but then we would have lost the opportunity to build something by and for the American people. So we, we're doing this, uh, uh, with intention and with integrity. So it takes a little longer, but it's growing and it's really exciting. But to your point, you know, you go on log on and you can see who's closer to me because the closer it is, even if it has to be shipped, the price comes way down, right? If it's, if it's a close farm nearby, they'll ship it right to your door and it might only be 10 bucks. But if you're getting something from Georgia and you live in California, you're going to pay more. But as we bring on more farmers throughout the country and build that map, our goal is hyper-localization. Because the other thing is we have so few farmers left that if we just stop the loss of them, we just sustain a broken system. So the only solution, the only path forward is to build a model that creates a new agrarian movement, right? How many people do you know wish they could be on a homestead now? Like after COVID, they're like, man, get me out of the city. I want to be on a little homestead, grow food for my family, and maybe a little extra for my neighbors. We can accelerate that shift to agriculture if there's an outlet and a market that actually pays you to do that. And that's our goal at From the Farm. Let me digress just a little bit on the appeal topic. Consumer responsibility. A lot of times we want to blame somebody outside of ourselves, right but we as consumers need to become informed about our food so we can make the right choices appeal exists because it's not food that's grown naturally isn't always appealing right you get an apple that's got a little wormhole in it or it's not perfect or it's not the perfect color well the marketing that's been done yeah yeah so that the marketing that the brainwashing that's been done by big food for so many generations we reject something that doesn't look perfect right if that pear isn't a perfect pear shape I don't want it so appeal exists because consumers want to be catered to at every little corner we as consumers have to recognize this isn't how food grows naturally it doesn't look perfect it's not perfectly pretty you know growing up you pull an apple off the tree if there was a wormhole what'd you do you didn't throw it away you cut that part off and ate the apple right so we as consumers need to take responsibility for our role in this and all that means is acknowledge acknowledging i have been fooled now it's my responsibility as a living breathing organism to know the source of the most important thing that i need as a living breathing organism which is food and people just don't know we have no clue

anymore. AJ, can I go to my, I have some of my favorite local farmers and we have a lot in the Western New York Finger Lakes region of New York state. So could I go to them and say, Hey, you guys need to get in touch with people and set up networks. Cause I think that could be really helpful in, and I, what I'm hearing from you is saving our farms. And that was another question that I had, like, let's go back to Bill Gates and all of these multinational corporations and buying up farmland. Is that a real threat, do you think, to our food supply right now? Are you seeing anything in at least the state level or in D.C. that is going to stop this consolidation of farmland and privately owned land in the country? It's so complicated now by design

that there's a lot of areas that you have to start at to get to where we're trying to go, right? And so the farmland, yes, like the issue I have with somebody like Bill Gates owning all that farmland is when he buys into the idea that cows are a problem for the environment, right? And you've got that much land that should have cows on it, and you think they're a problem. Buys into the idea or spreading the idea? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. And it's just a lie agreed upon right because from the foundation of that discussion cows are not a problem it's not the cow it's the how right that's the slogan it's not the cow it's the how cows actually rebuild ecosystems sequester carbon when grass grows they fix local water cycles they really should be seen as a modern keystone species right the bison was a keystone species but we got rid of them all so the next closest thing to bison in our country are large ruminating animals which are cows so we're dealing with so many issues because they have made cow the cow the problem they're not the problem the problem is when you ship over massive super tank From across the ocean that equal 40,000 cars on the highway to move beef from Brazil to America. That's the problem with the environmental impact is the emissions off of the super tankers. The cows are not the problem, but they're perpetuating this lie because if they can control the food, they control you. So what's right on the heels of bad cows or cows are bad? Lab grown meat, fake meat that's better for the environment. It's all a lie to perpetuate revenue for those that want to control it.

Absolutely. So let's break down this myth that Bill Gates, you know, because people are so interested in this guy, obviously, like, you know, even his wife doesn't like him anymore. So no one likes him. So what are like five big lies that you would say Bill Gates told us so far? The sun is bad.

The sun needs to be blocked. The sun needs to be blocked. Trees are bad. Trees need to be removed. Did he say that?

Yeah, cut trees down and bury them.

Yep. Huh?

this guy is like anti-human robot of some sort like crazy douchebag even crazier that people out there are like yeah you're right you're right well you should cut all these trees down they're

bad so he wants to kill off cows like i'm not surprised like world economic forum is into it and you know all klaus schwabians i call them minions of klaus schwab are into it so bill gates is just carrying out this agenda in the u.s okay so cows are bad he says we gotta cut down the trees he says no something bad for you no son i guess oh yeah he's gonna say you can't drink water right water's bad for you and air yeah forget about that you're either there well they've been

doing that water's bad unless it's my water yeah water's bad unless it's my water cows are bad unless they're injected with my vaccine that reduces their methane i mean that's what it is this is bad unless you use mine this is bad unless you use mine fruit is bad unless it's covered in

this new amazing coding that i've developed isn't it interesting that bill gates though like his

origin story is creating software systems right he then got everyone dependent on in the country huge multinational corporations and then being accused of purposefully injecting viruses into those computer systems and then selling the how like holding them hostage and then selling them the antivirus that's what got him dragged up to capitol hill that's what got the pie in his face you guys remember that they shoved a pie because he's basically poisoning these software systems so that he could then give them the antidote and isn't it interesting that the first thing he did when he retired and became a philanthropist and a farmer don't forget he's a farmer in vaccines mass vaccination of every single child across the world using poor african children as as test subjects and that's become his like number one mission he's such a villain such a villain talking about someone get to donald trump and tell him to get rid of this right psychopath

You know, it's sad. I don't want to mention this right now, but people are so dumb sometimes that I have to say this because it's true. You can't fix stupid. Right. You can't fix stupid. My dad's been telling me that since I was a kid. You can't fix stupid. They are killing a guy like Charlie Kirk who tells you, have more kids, be a good dad, be a good man. He tells you all the good stuff. And no one, and I'm not for violence here, but no one has a problem when Bill Gates literally is killing you slowly. i guess he's he's like having dinners with trump but it's horrifying again the only thing that i

could tell myself when i saw that and then also saw how much money uh the government is giving those tech you know and farmers and uh tech pharmacists whatever else they whatever else thing they have on their resume um is okay i really hope this is one of those keep your enemies closer kind of play like that is the only positive spin and even with that my first thought is like it's so obvious why these people are they got to go what are we dragging our feet for right and if it's a business play well your business doesn't help us at all in fact it probably just makes our lives way worse right so I think that that's not serving the American people and when did we become

a country that goes into business with private corporations. I mean, didn't we trust busts back in the day? Didn't we try to break apart monopolies? AJ, I have a question for you, actually, on the theme of what you just said. The liability protection for chemical corporations and pesticide corporations, which is being written into the big, beautiful bill and is still there, does that concern you at all? Because I just had Elizabeth Kucinich on my program a couple days ago. They just released a press release. I think David Murphy and Zen Honeycutt signed on to it saying that it was titled Maha Report Rubber Stamps Pesticide Industry Talking Points. And they blasted Trump for this report. And they said, this is one of the quotes, it was a wish list for chemical pesticide industries. And it was a pretty intense letter. Is there some discussion in Maha, like an argument about, because I know people are starting to get really concerned that despite Bobby Kennedy Jr.'s best intentions, the rhetoric that we're seeing from his position is good, but he's being undermined by the apparatus in Washington, D.C. and even this Trump administration. I'm just so curious about what you think about

that. Yeah, the liability thing is very disappointing. I mean, nobody should be protected from being sued if they hurt you, right? So the liability side is really disappointing, And everybody in Maha is also very disappointed that that's still there. When I was in D.C., I was talking with somebody that's got a lot more insight than I do, and they thought that Big Pharma was the biggest lobby in America, and it turns out corn and soy is. And if you do anything against that, you probably aren't going to get the White House. The challenges that they're trying to handle there now, Trump should just be like, okay, I'm in now. You're gone, right? But that's what should happen. So I'm absolutely disappointed in the liability shield. I do believe that, and I'm coming out of a purist mindset to say like bigger picture, if we're in such a negative state of food supply that if we ban pesticides, we have famine. And let me explain why that is. Because, yeah, our soils, the soils where that food is grown with herbicides, pesticides, fungicides and fertilizers, it only functions now because of the inputs, because they've destroyed the natural organic life cycle of that soil. And so because we're at such a deficit, if we turn that off today, we starve next year. It has to be a process.

But no one's talking about banning it. No one's talking about banning it. They're talking about erasing, like basically giving chemical companies what the pharma companies have, which is extraordinary.

Yeah, but now if you look at it from the other perspective, not that I agree with it, but if you look at it from the other perspective, I didn't know that, AJ. If you were to do that, then it would lead to famine. And now on the flip side, if you were the chemical company, as evil as they are, what they're going to come and say is exactly what the vaccine guys said.

Yep.

They're going to come and say, listen, on one hand, we need to bring these chemicals because if we don't bring this chemical, these chemicals, we're not going to have food next year. On the other hand, there may be problems with the chemicals.

So it's kind of exactly what pharma did.

Correct. But, but in this case, based on what Asia just said, it is a little different. but they're like the mafia then they're like they are the mafia they are the mafia but but now you're looking at it from one perspective where they're being forced to have to sell the pesticides and yet if something bad happens they're going to get sued so they're going to argue and say well on one hand if we're being forced to bring it forward this is just what they would say if we're being forced to bring it forward then you can't force us to go into lawsuits so if you want to force us to bring it forward then you have to protect us just like we would say on either side If you want to mandate us to take this thing, then you have to make sure that we're not going to get hurt by it.

Right. It goes both ways. And think about, too, we still have power as a consumer.

Yeah. Right.

So being able to choose where you get your food from, we can move the market, right? Love that. We collectively, let's say everyone's on the same. It'll take a lot of work. Yeah. But let's, you know, perfect world. Perfect. Across the nation, everyone's like hand in hand. We're going to save our food. We're not eating that stuff anymore. stop going to the grocery store. Right. Stop going to the grocery store. Go to your neighbor, grow your own garden, right? Go to your other neighbor, work together as a community. It's literally backtracking into the way we even built the nation. And me and AJ talk about this all the time. Regenerative. What is it? Right? Well, you can't create like a, instead of an organic label, you can't create like a regenerative label because now you're still trying to have an entire nation across the nation that grows food and handles you know stewards land it's not the same you cannot you're not going to farm in florida the way you farm in utah like there there is no one size fits all to create something like that it's like by trying to put something in a box it creates just as many negative ripple effects downstream and to go so if someone if a producer has been you know conventionally ranching convention conventionally farming for a long time you don't just all of a sudden go okay now because they made this there's this new policy which is great you know it's positive however

My whole livelihood is my operation here. You can't go from decades, or especially if it's like a generational operation, decades of doing it one way with all the inputs to then just cutting it out, cutting it dry. It can be done, and it's being done everywhere, but it takes time. It's putting ruminant animals on your property. It's rotationally grazing. It's working with your land, with your climate to find the best way forward for your area. and it took how long to get to the point where we are today it's not overnight and so the best thing we can do is and like aj says the reality is we couldn't just cut off imports because we through the years they have ruined our ability to be self-sufficient yeah in an efficient way to take care of everyone in the country right so we need the imports while we build back while we get rid of bad crappy policy for farmers we get you know hopefully agencies being able to put more money into things that are going to create better opportunity to bring more people into that world of agriculture and to do it in a way that is long-term better for our environment and will reverse the effects of what has been done to our environment but it is going to take time so there's

there's a piece i want to bring up i actually i want to ask you aj if you have any insights on this so there's there's there's holism and reductionism in philosophy and medicine so on so forth. Holism, meaning looking at all the parts and understanding how they connect reduction, reductionism being looking at one piece and trying to solve it from there. Big pharma works on reductionism. That's why we have side effects. Holistic medicine works on holism. And that's why you don't have the same types of side effects. So again, this is a topic that I'm not an expert and I'm taking I'm taking my understanding from other topics. I'm not an expert in anything.

you know, pretty good weightlifting. So my question for you is from the way that I see

our conversation going, we're focusing on agriculture. And my logic would tell me that agriculture is one cell in a much bigger body. And if we're focusing on how do we fix the agricultural problems without looking at all the other cells, so the dirty water, the dirty air, the dirty electricity, all the way down may sound funny, but it's true. the stressors and the emotions of the individuals handling those plants handling those animals how they if it comes to an animal how are you killing the animal is the animal high stress being tortured right are they seeing another animal die in front of it or are you doing it in a different way i think all of these things need to be taken into consideration because even if we solve all of the problems with the agriculture cell there's a million other sales that may stop that and then we're going to start seeing some effects. AJ talk about the

because I don't I didn't meet him but the the person that was you know playing with light so like when it came to like a like on the kill floor or the different things that have and are being done on many operations but it's not something that everyone is doing or maybe has access to but there's a lot of really really cool things that have been created and perfected and they're still working on to add to help there too with decreasing stress taking in consideration more of a whole picture view by the way to the market but i would also say it's not in the

it's not in conventional the idea behind i only know this because my background the idea behind kosher food there are laws for that so you're not allowed to kill a cow in front of a cow they can't see it. You're not allowed to, to like, it's not kosher if the animal has a broken bone. So I've been to some slaughterhouses, which was very traumatizing because I saw them raise the cow with a rope on one leg. What do you think happens when you take a two, 3000 pound animal and hang it up in there? You break the leg illegal. You're not, it's, it's, it's, it's, there are certain laws that in, in Judaism and in the laws of being kosher, that's part of what it does all the way down to how you kill it so you'll have to cut it in a specific part of the neck that's why giraffes they're kosher but they they won't eat them because nobody knows what part of the neck do we kill it because it's so big right and it's all about decreasing the level of stress or or

fear so it doesn't go into the food yep right yeah to you to your talk uh talking points about whole looking at the whole right one of the arguments i heard for uh gates about farming this a couple of years ago, is the problem we have now is the food system is created by engineers, right? But nature works as a whole. If you remove one piece of the whole, you've broken nature. But an engineer's mind is designed to see shortest distance between two points, right? From here to here. So when I'm engineering the food system from the mindset of an engineer, I'm cutting out and removing all...

All of the inefficiencies of nature, at least according to my engineer brain, and that's why we have a broken system because the whole needs to be looked at. How the animal is treated, how it feels, what impact it's having on the land as you're rotating it, how other species in that environment are interacting with your land and your livestock, what other animals you're moving through the landscape as well as the livestock, the beef. Because back in the day, you didn't just have a cattle ranch. uh you know it was homesteads that had cows chickens pigs goats and they moved in harmony because they all had a certain role that they played to serve nature right so when we try to

they got a lot of love too from the owner like that's the thing like they were not in this like weird lab experiment where they do like pee and do all the stuff and then they are cleaned in the same spot i mean i saw this when i did the farming episode right i was like i've never seen anything like this in europe this is horrifying but what what even horrified me even more is the farmers themselves well some of them were like no no this is normal i'm like whatever you say this is not

normal well it is always easier to just eat the product and never see how you get it and that's the problem with the huge disconnect to people and their food because since the dawn of time you don't eat something live but the difference is is a farmer and a rancher someone let's just say the independent food independent producer there is a real respect for the animal right there is i feel pretty confident in saying and obviously not everybody but there is a real connection between that farmer and their creator yeah the farmer and what they're there to do so all of it becomes a whole ecosystem i actually feel like a lot of people would not eat meat if they saw it i don't disagree at this point well yeah it's it's not for it's not for everybody to be the one who has to go and do the killing you know they're it's up to any individual what they want to eat how you know whatever they're okay with what they're not okay with um and then you know if you're from a family where you're raised around animals you're raised and you love them and take care of them but they do serve a purpose that's different purpose it's different yeah and it still doesn't mean that it's enjoyable the part where you have to take their life but it also depends on what what kind of character is the person who is is in the middle of that operation like how how much how much care are they going to put into that it takes a very special type of that animal's experience right it's kind of like us launching from the farm we are very focused on what is the customer experience it's we it's taking what needs to happen is you know with like engineers you need to care about the experience regardless of what it is if you're launching a travel company and you're going to take you know all the influencers are taking all these people on trips and going all over well you don't have a business if the experience isn't top notch right if no one's going to come back so you could go to one operation of a like a slaughter house and we have toured many and you could have a terrible that was my experience yes and i think across the board it's not enjoyable across the board it's not enjoyable unless you have your reasons for working in that industry and that is an industry that we need people that one think about a whole picture but two are willing to do that or nobody eats it nobody right there it's like the dirty it's like the dirty jobs like tradesmen the dirty jobs you know it's like There should be way more respect for our farmers, for our ranchers, for our plumbers, for the guys that are working long hours building the dirty jobs. And they don't get it.

Let me just say this. So I ran a USDA slaughterhouse, spent a year there, and then I consulted for another one. So I've spent plenty of time in slaughterhouses. Consumer responsibility. I'm going to come back to that a lot because everybody wants to blame the farmer, blame the rancher. it's that's a mis that's a that's put in the wrong spot you need to look at yourself so i brought somebody through and they're like oh my gosh smells like death and i said you're wrong that's a pro that's that you've been conditioned that that's a problem this is this is what sacrifice smells like and there's a distinction when you understand the sacrifice to edify our own bodies so that we can move forward and do the bidding that god's called us to this earth to do and we have to nourish and edify this vessel we have to do that it's not death it's sacrifice and you have to frame it in that way because that's what it is. Everything eats and is eaten. If you're a vegan, that food that it, what it, what it took to grow that food, a lot of things died for you to get that food. Everything eats and is eaten, right? And so we have to turn that back to ourselves. We, we process our own chickens here. I've got this last, you know, we did 50 this year. So we try to do enough for one chicken a week. We raise them ourselves and then we process them. My wife and two young daughters, when we do the processing, it's very difficult. It's also very humbling and connecting us to our food. When we sit down and pray to God and thank him for the food that we have to eat, that connection is way more profound than something we bought off the grocery store. And in fact, we prayed as we were doing the harvesting because it's uncomfortable. It's sad. We're taking life. But we pray and thank God for giving us the opportunity so that we can feed ourselves and the opportunity we had to raise it. Consumers just need to become reconnected. This is what marketing has done. marketing by the big companies has said don't worry about the messy stuff we're going to give it to you a nice clean perfect package so you don't have to think about it that's a problem that that isn't how it should be so we as consumers need to be reconnected back to the earth and what it means to be living breathing organisms and the cycle of life that's so interesting

profound absolutely and we don't think about that enough guys we are out of time so just last thoughts? If you want to say something to our, our viewers? Yeah, I have something quick, like I just

have learned so much on AJ, thank you. Thank you. You know, this, these are just perspectives that I have never learned. And I heard time and time again, it's like the consumer, it's like, it's the culture, it's the market, like the market is powerful. When you look at what the market when the market rejected COVID vaccines, even when we were being fired, we were being pushed out of our jobs, but you had a strong, like 30% of the population reject them, even though they were going to lose a lot. It didn't take everyone understanding. It only took a minority to change the entire culture. And now today, vaccine rates are down in every category for every vaccine. We could do the same thing with food. We could, we could begin to, to become evangelists for this type of thinking, and it only takes a minority. So I'll shut up. No, no, no. I will just, I'll

just say and i've probably taken the words right off aj's mouth because he loves to reference this and remind people of it you know it's so easy and i think it's just we get stuck in a way of like wanting to blame anybody else but ourselves it's very uncomfortable to realize that either you were wrong or you had the wrong information or i mean there could be all the reasons why you had that information you thought that that way but to close yourself off of being enlightened every day to something that's better or something that you didn't know about instead of denying it because it's so uncomfortable to feel like you were wrong or you're bad and you recognize the fact that we're all pretty bad we're all sinners and we're all just trying to do the best that we can and the only way we get better is from learning our learning from our mistakes well one main point is instead of and I and I wouldn't say is anyone here but I definitely heard it out and out in the streets we love to blame the farmer we love to blame the producer that is not how we move forward okay it's you don't blame them there's so many nuances as to why we are where we are and in fact if you care about our opportunity to raise our own food our opportunity to choose what we eat and where we get it from and be able to sell you know my guard stuff from my garden or stuff from uh my ranch to my neighbors and have a community and have that well then what we really should be doing as a as a consumer is standing up for your farmer stand up for your food producer they're one person that is putting in their blood sweat and tears and they don't have a nine to five it's a whenever when there's work to be done my dad my dad said all the time still does he used to talk about when he was working the feed mill and when he worked all you know all these jobs with my grandpa growing up you worked until the job was done yeah you did not wake up 4 a.m most farmers wake up 4 a.m you didn't go home are you kidding me like yeah you didn't go home you know yeah it's it's you got the job done you worked hard you weren't afraid of hard work and yeah it sucks because it's hard and it's manual labor but you know what else healthy mindset healthy body healthy family but you work till the job was done so we can't ask one more thing from our producers which is a was a huge motivator for what we're doing with from the farm right we want them to do what they love what they're good at we will market for you we as consumers need to do more for the people the ones we have left in the country as we try to you know rebuild the industry with more independent producers of food they are doing everything they can us sitting at home or choosing to go to the grocery store or ordering uber eats and then complaining about the stuff that we see online and then you know being super upset about it and probably overreacting or just not fully understanding like the whole picture you're

really doing nothing we're doing nothing right do something like if it bothers you do something and The best thing we can do as consumers to save our independent food producers is we go on their behalf and we raise our hand on their behalf. And we speak up on their behalf versus, I mean, if you think sheer numbers, like 30 percent, well, how many producers do we have left in the country?

1.8 million serving 350 million. Wow.

Wow. That's crazy. Paul Harvey, It Takes a Farmer is what I thought. I don't know if you guys have ever heard Paul Harvey. It Takes a Farmer. It's one of the most beautiful poems I've ever heard. That's crazy.

I just want to say a couple quick closing words. When it comes to make America healthy again, I love my country. I think we also have to focus on the planet. It's not just one country that we fix, because again, that's a cell in a hole, and there's a lot of things going on here. And all of you watching are also from all around the world. And I think that if you take what you learned here today and apply it to wherever you live, whether it's in the United States or outside of the United States as well, it could do a lot of really, really great things. And instead of just focusing, not to discredit it, but instead of just focusing on what to replace and what to take out of our food, which is a great starting point. Let's also focus on what to add and what to do. For example, energy medicine is a very, very big topic moving forward and it focuses on how to rebalance the body. Well, tune in for the next episode and don't

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