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serenity now higher side chatters from the sunshine state i'm greg carlwood and we have criticized the industrial food industry for many years now. They mass coat genetically engineered crops and poisons. They factory farm our animals in conditions so horrid it's actually dangerous to attempt to film them. And they make breads and grains so backwards that it's triggered newly named conditions none of us used to have. I'm not optimistic that these systems and processes will go away, but what have we done as informed individuals to strengthen the resiliency of the alternative, independent, and decentralized economy, or secure better quality sources for ourselves and our loved ones? Do you commit to organic produce? Have you formed a relationship with a local rancher raising animals the right way? Do you grow anything yourself? We've all heard the phrase that you don't bite the hand that feeds, and while we have a lot of rumbling and grumbling out there about that hand, how critical can we be really if we have not done anything to lift ourselves out of the dependence on broken poisonous systems well here to hit us with the one-two punch of information and inspiration is the lunatic farmer himself joel saladin he's a powerful force in the sustainable regenerative farm freedom movement providing the ideal template with his ever popular polyface farm in swope virginia they do events educational tours and they sell their products directly from their website at polyface farm.com He's the author of at least 16 books at this point, co-hosts the Beyond Labels podcast with Dr. Senna McCullough, and also teaches courses that make small-scale farming accessible to anyone at farmlikealunatic.com. We were lucky enough to talk to Joel back in 2022, and as expected, many of the problems we talked about then are only getting worse now, and our continued dependence on a sick system has only been exploited more and more. So let's get into it. The High Priest of the Pasture, Cow Trough, Water Drinking, Food Sovereignty Sage, and Christian, Libertarian, Environmentalist, Capitalist, Lunatic Farmer, Joel, welcome back. Thank you, Greg.

Yes, that is indeed a legacy introduction. Yeah, I have to hand it to you. That's pretty good.

I try, I try. But thank you for doing this. You have been an inspiration to me for years. My life has moved much further into the direction of trying to produce some things myself and making the commitment to at least source animal products locally and directly from ranches and farms. You feel better doing it. You're appreciated more as a customer and you get a healthier product. It's wins across the board. But to kick this off, when Trump won the last election and positions were being filled, I heard you were going to be tapped for an advisory position. It seemed too good to be true. And I guess that's right because it didn't come to fruition, did it?

No, it didn't. It didn't. I think that he was measuring. I mean, there's a million ways to think about what happened behind the screen. But you only have so much whatever, you know, political equity that you can that you can go through. And I think he used most of it up on RFK Jr. And then he used more of it up on the FBI guy, whatever his name is. Not Kash Patel. Yeah. Yeah. Kash Patel. Yeah. That that was a that was a liability. Of course, Tulsi Gabbard was a liability. And so, you know, when you start looking at these, I mean, Pete Hegseth was definitely a liability. And so, you know, you have to start adding those up and you have to be careful about, you know, how many liabilities you add up. So I don't know if it was just a sop to the Maha movement, you know, to to get them all excited or if it was genuine or not. But, yeah, nothing ever came of it.

Well, I mean, so sad to see them pull up the ladder right in front of you. I mean, I would rather have you involved than all those people because food is like, to me, so much more important than a lot of the areas they cover. But when it comes to RFK Jr. and the Maha movement, it was nice to see a contingency of people rallying around health, freedom and greater access to sustainable, organic, whole foods. But it. It feels like that contingency is getting further and further out of focus. I am curious what grade you would give RFK Jr. in the Maha movement in these first two years, which might be the only two years it gets, the way it's looking.

Yeah, you're right about that. You know, there have been some really positive things. I mean, the fact that almost every American now knows that there's 10,000 artificial food additives in our food compared to Europe's 400. that the average American now knows that $12 to $15 billion a year goes to Coca-Cola and Pepsi under the Supplemental Nutrition Program. Are you kidding me? I mean, there's nothing nutritious about Coca-Cola and Dr. Pepper. So we've learned some tremendous things. He just dumped 11 million pages of COVID corruption on the desk of Senator Ron Johnson. That happened just in the last little bit. And so, you know, there's been, there's been some things, some real positives. So I'm, I'm a friend, but I'm not a genuflexing friend. And so, so what are the negatives, you know? So to me, the biggest negatives have been that most of the folks in the inner sanctum of the Maha movement have been liberals. I mean, RFK Jr. was a career Democrat, you know? So when that core comes out of a liberal mindset, they're steeped in the idea that solutions come from the government, that if there's going to be a cultural, there's going to be an overall solution, you know, we've got to have a program, an agency, some sort of a subsidy, an incentive, you know, something. I was just in Milwaukee last weekend doing a conference and somebody from the audience during Q&A said, well, when's the government going to give a subsidy or an incentive for farmers doing the right thing as opposed to farmers doing the wrong thing? And I told him, I said, we don't need a subsidy to do the right thing. All we need is to quit subsidizing stupid. You know, if we quit subsidizing stupid, you know, sensibility will have a better play. I mean, the reason we have a K Street is because all our freedoms are for sale. If our freedoms weren't for sale, we wouldn't have a K Street. And so my single, whatever, frustrated, you asked for a grade, you know, I'll just, to be very, as diplomatic as I can be, I'll just say it's a C. My frustration is that the question seems to be, well, we've got all this money, we've got government involvement, which bucket do we want to put stuff in? stuff's been going in the wrong bucket well let's put it in the right bucket and i'm asking do we need a bucket do we even have a bucket and that just doesn't it doesn't get any traction greg it just doesn't get any traction because the assumption i mean i was on a maha call and again i'm friends with these folks but two weeks ago you know they wanted me to be on a on a you know

inner inside call about what to do with epa administrator lee zeldin's plan to give 48 million dollars to clean up agriculture pollution and when they finally got it when we got around to me we're on you know we're on a zoom call multi-person zoom call he got around to me i said well it really wouldn't cost any money for trump to rescind his executive order saying that glyphosate is necessary for our civilizational survival yes and and great they couldn't even laugh you know i said look it's a joke it's okay you know you can laugh yeah they're wound so tight and before you know, you know, the whole conversation goes into the third preposition and sentence five on paragraph two, you know, nobody dares to question, do we need a bucket? It's just, where do we put the $48 million in? And I dare to ask, well, do we need any, any bucket? Let's just discard the buckets. So that's as, as nice as I can be that that's my frustration, but it's natural because the people who are on that, in that inner circle have come out of a, you know, government solves problems mindset. And I come from a very libertarian standpoint that says, I can't think of much of anything that the government has ever subsidized that ended up being good. I mean, even if it started good, it didn't end up there. And look, look at how much we're now, you know, fighting over healthcare and Medicare and, and social security and, and all these good sounding things. And you go a couple of decades down to President Johnson's war on poverty. We've spent whatever it is, $3 trillion on the war on poverty. Well, where's that gotten us? We haven't gotten out of poverty, even racial stuff. And I don't want to get all in.

to that, but I am confident that racial stuff is worse now than it was when I was in high school and just, you know, partisanship and things like that. So yeah, I want to, I want to just get rid of the buckets. Let's not argue over which bucket it goes in. Let's just agree we're bankrupt. We don't have any money. Our debt's $37 trillion. So we don't actually have money anyway. So let's just get rid of the buckets and let freedom and liberty take its course. Yeah. Well said. I think

a lot of the things you said are very insightful in terms of the way people respond to problems. A good friend of mine used to always say, what if the way we respond to the crisis is part of the crisis? Like, you know, the same thinking, as they say, the same thinking that got you in this mess will not get you out. What got you here will not get you there, as I've heard you say in the stop subsidizing stupid speech. I read that post on your blog. You went to Washington. They gave you three minutes. In the interaction, you know, that was your big line, the big applause moment. And that's the thing I think a lot of people don't realize. We all have this perception of the structure of industrial farming and how necessary it is and how overpopulated everything is. And then the stuff you do, it's like, well, you know, that's great on a micro scale, but it's never going to work. And of course, that perception is something we really tackled last time. But I think people still need to realize when it comes to the free market or the competitive nature of your system versus that system, people probably aren't aware that conventional factory farmers and industrial chemical users, monocrop agriculture, they go to Washington every year to get a bailout. And that is what you're talking about. Stop subsidizing stupid. I can compete. Let me compete. Put me in coach. But you can't stop. You can't give them the unfair advantage of a constant bailout because they're not doing it the right way. Well, the problem,

Greg, is that we have we have decision deficit syndrome in our country and decision deficit syndrome is caused by failure to deal with the consequences of your decision. How's the quickest way to make a person make stupid decisions. It's to eliminate the consequences of those decisions. And so what happens when you have a $12 billion bailout when the world is awash in too many soybeans and you have a $12 billion bailout to the farmers to grow soybeans, you eliminate the consequences of growing soybeans. And I'm on a bit of a tear lately. We're awash in soybeans. The prices plummeted, and, of course, fertilizer costs are through the roof and everything else. What are we short of? Well, we're short of cows. If you're watching beef prices, I mean, our national herd, our cow numbers are lower than they've been since 1950, and so we desperately need cows. Well, what do cows eat? Cows don't eat soybeans. They eat grass. They eat pasture. They eat, I mean, for the most part. And so I actually did a economic analysis on a let's take a let's take an imaginary thousand acre soybean farm in Kansas and convert it to perennial perennial pasture and grow cows. What would it cost to make that conversion? And it was only three hundred thousand dollars, which, you know, that's a lot of money. But right now, it costs, I'll get the calculator out here quick. And right now, they say it costs about $350. So if that 1,000-acre farm is growing soybeans and it costs $358 an acre to put them in, that's $358,000 to put in to grow the crop of soybeans. And for less than that, they could convert the whole thing to cows. We need more cows. We don't need soybeans. But when you get a government bailout to grow the stupid thing or the unnecessary thing, then the farmers don't have to face the consequences of their decisions, which are to grow more soybeans. This is the problem. We've created safety nets. And, you know, I don't want to just, you know, be a bull in a china shop. But, you know, the problem with safety nets is that they make people lethargic. their decision discernment muscles become lethargic when you have safety nets to protect you from every consequence of your decisions. Well said. And I have heard you say that a lot

of U.S. farmers right now are switching from growing corn to soybeans, but corn farmers actually made money last year. Soybean farmers lost $100 an acre, but now the corn growers are shifting to soybeans, I guess, because of the fertilizer issue or just the ease of what they can do. And in terms of the cattle, I've heard you say that it's like $1,700 for a calf right now, but you can remember in your journey of doing this, that there was a time where it was 50 bucks.

$50 for a calf. And now it's $1,700. I think part of that is the degrading value of our money, but also just clearly the supply and demand. I mean, it's just crazy. And I know you have gone around, you do a lot of lectures and events where you do talk to these farmers and ranchers directly and you show them the template for sustainable regenerative agriculture that would help them get out of their dependence on the industry and really this system that's turned them into indentured servants but what are you hearing from the farmers you just laid out the math but what's holding them back from making the change are they just so afraid they're like well this would mean i'm totally at risk for making my own decisions over here though no matter what goes wrong the government's got me i also think i recall you saying lack of demand was at least an element which you know that is what the people listening can actually do show that there is a demand stop buying the other shit put your foot down and say no i only buy organic so you better start carrying it you know this kind of stuff but talk to us about what the actual industry workers are saying

to you greg i think i think you've really uncovered a an important part of the onion here and i think it's because the average farmer in america does not realize they're part of the food system that it's like they're they're in their they're in their their segregated world i want to do this i want to you know i want to grow this and because that's what i've been doing and i mean look let's all agree change is difficult change is intimidating who wants to make change we we love to you know we love to be in a rut ruts are graves with the ends knocked out you know and but we we love our routine you know we love our routine and we love we love doing what we want to do And so we don't want to adjust. And the fact is that the market, the consuming populace, the need, doesn't need what a lot of these farmers are producing. I mean, half of the soybeans produced in America are exported, so America doesn't need them. 40% of the corn goes to ethanol. So when RFK Jr. and Trump stand up there and say, well, we've got to have this, if we don't have glyphosate, we're all going to starve to death. And goodness, only, you know, 20% of the soybeans and corn are even used in human food production. And, you know, then you have some of it used for livestock feed for, you know, most of it's used for livestock feed or a lot of it. But we could produce half the soybeans we produce and we wouldn't even know it as a nation, especially when we're so short of cows. And so I think I think what's happened is the government programs, the USDA programs have been able to literally insulate the farmer from being subject to or thinking about the market. What does the market want today? And it's been fascinating for me. I mean, one of the things that we produce here is, you know, grass-finished beef. And it's been really fascinating for me to watch the prices escalate as the beef herd has dropped, dropped, dropped. And it's one of the first times that something has escalated this high in the marketplace with no change in purchasing. The purchasing has not changed at all. And it's because of keto. I mean, I'm going to say it's because of keto, carnivore, these high protein diets. And of course, you know, RFK Jr., to his credit, has just flipped the whole dietary guidelines on its head and put, you know, beef on the bottom instead of Froot Loops. That's a very, you know, that's an A, that's an A plus. That's a, that's a great, great thing. And so the drive, the understanding that nutrition does not come from cornflakes and Froot Loops, I think people are starting to get it. I mean, not everybody for sure, but a lot of people are actually connecting that dot in their mind.

And so they're realizing, goodness, you know, top quality, chemical-free, grass-finished ground beef at $10 a pound is a better buy than Lunchables at $12 or Hershey chocolate bars at $10 a pound or breakfast cereal. and so you know these are these are really good kind of shifts in the in the national consciousness and i think it's why beef the market is holding firm even in the shortage that makes sense i mean

it's good to get some insights and i do appreciate the commentary on maha and rfk jr's wins and losses because the media just really doesn't cover it unless they can twist it to make it sound really bad and scary to the people who are still captured so it's really kind of sometimes hard to even know what has happened, what's just.

been a suggestion what it's just like uh obviously they're doing a lot of stuff right now and i don't want to beat up on him too bad because i followed him for many years before he was ever actually in government so i know that he knows the right stuff i've read his books it's all in there you know the guy who knows and believes this stuff is trying but if you push too hard you will just get fired you know it's just that simple you know when people like there's a lot of critics of joe rogan's podcast and then someone will go on and be like well you didn't even criticize him it's like yeah do you realize that you could criticize him too much and he just wouldn't air the episode like you kind of everybody wants everything to be 100 pure but you have to play the game a little bit or it's only bad people playing the game so i think you're right and i

think behind the curtain that's that's why rfk endorsed the executive order for glyphosate was, I mean, believe me, that really fractured, that really sent shockwaves throughout the Maha movement, for sure. But think about it this way. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's sitting there, and to his credit, Trump has stuck with him. And I think that's been commendable on Trump's part. And I'm not a Trump acolyte. I'm glad he's in there and not Kamala. But but but but I think I think in general, RFK has been a pretty he's been a difficult partner, you know, because he's pushing the envelope on a lot of things. And and so I'm imagining that Trump goes to RFK, says, look, I need you to endorse this thing. And if you don't, I'm going to have to ask you to resign. And and and RFK. So I'm role playing here. And this is totally conjecture. All right. But, but, but RFK sits there. I mean, I can think I'm putting myself in his shoes. I was like, look, I've got some huge movement on vaccines. I've got huge movements on COVID on, on how corrupt Fauci was. I've got stuff on additives. I've got stuff on the dietary guidelines. You know, we're making progress on all these fronts. Yeah. I'll throw Trump a bone. I agree. I think that's what it was. And I think a lot of decisions actually are made that way. I mean, it, i think about congressman thomas massey you know he's become pretty pretty famous now sure and he has this prime act he's been working on his prime act for ever since he's been in congress that would allow for the first time in 50 years a t-bone steak to be sold in america without asking the government's permission right i was going to ask you about that because that's part of the farm bill and it did pass right yes yes and so so here here he is here we've got we've got They stripped out. Fortunately, the farm bill is up. I mean, the farm bill is three years delayed already. You know, we're supposed to pass it three years ago and it's still sitting there. So they, but they stripped out the indemnification shield for the, for the chemical companies so that, you know, that was a huge one. They stripped that out, but they left in the overriding, the California Prop 12 thing, where California said, not only can you not raise a pig, use a farrowing crate in California, but in California, we're not even going to allow pork that's been farrowed in a farrowing crate to be sold in California. And so there's been a huge pushback from the industry saying, you know, that California, therefore, is dictating policy for the nation and all this stuff, which is a complete red herring argument.

A state is free to say, we're not going to do this here. And it's not dictating to Illinois what they're trying to do. So it's a spurious argument. But that is still in the bill. it was stripped out earlier and now it's been put back in. And, and that, that is in. So think about Massey, you know, here he is a guy, he he's fought for his whole, put everything on the line for the prime act. He doesn't like this other thing where it, it, it overrides states rights. You know, Massey's like me, he's a real states writer. So it overrides states rights, but so, So do you not vote on it because it's got this provision that overrides state rights? Or do you say, man, I got my Prime Act in. I put my whole, you know, deal on this. Do I vote against it? It's a real conundrum. And so the problem is, Greg, that they combine too much stuff in these bills. They don't just vote one thing up or down. They put on all these writers, all this mishmash. so you know 60% of it so the only way to vote for it is well it's got got 51% I like 49% I don't like. So I'm going to vote for it. And then then you're voting. You're voting for all these terrible things that you don't like, but then you don't get the 51 percent that you do. And yeah. And so, you know, this is they say, you know, the things two things you should never see made. And that's sausage and legislation. Yeah. I mean, it is obviously a huge mess.

Everyone's frustrated. But the Prime Act did seem to be like a good thing for people who don't know. my understanding is that now you can actually buy a cow, break that cow down and then sell those stakes and parts at the farmer's market or to your neighbor, which has been illegal for my whole lifetime.

Yeah. Since, since, since 1960, 1968, the Holstein Mead Act of 1968. And you know, what's, you know, what's great, Greg, the neat thing about now, it doesn't automatically say that you can do that. All it does is it says if a state wants to allow that freedom, the federal will stand down. That's all it says. And as Massey now, he calls it the subprime act in typical Massey fashion because it's only allowing five experimental abattoirs per state to try this. These micro movements are so frustrating. I know, I know. But here's the interesting thing. So Pete Kennedy, who's legal counsel for weston a price foundation and and works with uh solari and others he has been at he's gotten a foyer a foyer request from you from a food safety inspection service since 1968 how many tainted or you know how many sickness illness problems have come from uninspected custom processed beef in america since 1968 so we're talking about millions of head of animals yeah over all these communities all that you know since for 50 years almost 60 years how many cases of foodborne of problems have there been? You know what the answer is? Zero. Zero. Not 10, not 100, not 1,000. Zero. Not a single one. And so if this doesn't show the validity of small-scale relational neighbor-to-neighbor marketing, I don't know what does. And so here we are. And yeah, I hope it passes. And Tom Massey says that a thousand, a thousand neighborhood abattoirs will start up tomorrow the day this thing passes. So it's a, it doesn't sound like much to the average person, but, but, but it's a huge thing to think that in the first time in almost 60 years, an American can buy a ribeye steak without a government inspector signing off on it. That's a big deal. It is. And people should

stop being so afraid of meat like i think we've been conditioned we're so separated from our food supply that we're kind of conditioned to think it's all poison until it's been like cooked to well done or the milk's poison until it's been pasteurized and boiled and everything needs it's like everything's not poisonous and we don't need the government to do all these things vaccinate the meat and all these things to make it uh healthy for you actually the less of that you have the more healthy a lot of things are if the animals are treated right and the other thing i wanted to talk to you about that's in the news is that people who are paying attention are hearing about the downstream effects of this strata hormous thing and they're saying we're going to see even more bottlenecks in the global supply chain as countries start to position against each other, square off against each other. They will make problems with their other choke points that they do control. Panama Canal might be in the thing, the Suez Canal. There's all these other things. The Strader Hermus apparently says people smarter than me is just one introductory step in this direction, and the supply chain is long. They're saying a lot of these problems won't even be seen until next year, but talk to us about some of the numbers, some of the concerning things you've heard now, why we maybe have eight to 10 good months to get to know your local rancher, to go look around the outskirts of town, find out where the markets are.

Yeah. Well, so chemical fertilizer is made from petroleum, urea, ammonia, all this stuff is petroleum-based. And so as petroleum flows, so flows chemical fertilizer. And the world right now floats on chemical fertilizer. Now, it doesn't have to. And this is what

This is what the mainstream narrative is not discussing is, well, what's the alternative to chemical agriculture? I mean, it's like it's a, again, nobody questions whether there needs to be a chemical agriculture. They just, oh, no, we're not going to have chemicals, so we're not going to have agriculture. Well, nothing could be further from the truth. You know, 500 years ago, North America produced more food than it does today, and it wasn't done with 10-10-10 chemical fertilizer. and and i mean that wasn't all eaten by people you know we had two to four hundred million beavers that ate more plants than all the humans in north america we had 100 to 200 million bison feeding 2 million wolves that needed 120 pounds of meat a day that's 40 million pounds of meat just to feed the wolves we had bird flocks of birds that were so big they they blocked out the sun for a day when they flew over uh that's before tyson and the lewis and clark expedition when they went out they said they encountered a bear every single mile of their expedition all the way out to the pacific from st louis and back they encountered a bear every single mile and that was just the bear they saw it wasn't all the bears that were scattered you know north and south of the expedition. So bears eat a lot. And I haven't even talked about elk and deer and caribou and other things. The point is that all anthropologists and archaeologists now agree that North America produced more actual edible food 500 years ago than it does today. So the question is not which chemical to use or how to keep the chemicals flowing. The question of the day is how do we return to that abundance what are the principles what are the protocols that what's the platform that allowed this abundance to happen yes that sends you then to a whole new ball game of biomass composting carbon economy suddenly we don't have seven billion dollars spent on fighting forest fires we chip all that dead tree and all that biomass junk we fire up the chainsaws, and we start composting. We feed earthworms, and now we don't have the floods because we're building soil instead of eroding soil. And the whole system starts to function properly. Instead of making ponds illegal, we build ponds. We inventory water. At that time, 8% of the landscape of North America, that's minimum. Some people say 10%. So somewhere between 8% and 10% of North America's landscape was water from beaver ponds. Today, it's less than 4%. So we've got to hydrate the landscape with ponds. And we're not going to do it with beavers. We're going to do it with excavation equipment. But Louis Bromfield, writing in 1950, talked about the answer to flooding on the Mississippi is not great big Army Corps of

engineered projects with dams on the Mississippi. It's too far down the chain. You've got too much volume, too much velocity. So the answer to Mississippi flooding is millions of little farm ponds all up through Ohio, Indiana, up into Wyoming to collect floodwaters and hold them on the high scape. Of course, that's what permaculture says. Permaculture says the goal for water is to stop it, spread it, and soak it. And so these high ponds, and we now have the technology and the ability to do it. So the answers to this are actually elegantly simple. But what everybody does is get fixated on, oh no, we're not going to have chemicals. What are we going to do? And at our farm, we don't use any chemicals. So the whole idea of the Strader Hormuz problem, it doesn't even affect us. We're not even part of that. Now, it's affecting our price of diesel fuel. That's true that's true but the price of diesel to run chipping to do large-scale composting is is is pennies you know compared to the price of fertilizer ammonia i mean urea right now which is you know nitrogen important for corn has has jumped from oh there was just an article on it it has jumped this was in the wall street journal where is it it's gone from here's the chart i got it right here in front of me it's gone from 20 from september 2025 it's gone from about 520 dollars per ton to right now it's at 800 a ton anhydrous ammonia has gone from 760 bucks a ton to what 1200 bucks a ton and we're talking about you know not not not 100 increases but almost and so right now yeah you mentioned the top of the program that last year corn farmers made money this year they're projected corn farmers are projected to lose 150 per acre on corn last year soybean farmers lost a hundred dollars per acre on corn i mean on soybeans they will certainly lose that much this year again and trust me if corn farmers lose 150 bucks an acre on corn guess who's going to be on bended knee at the white house asking for another 20 billion dollar bailout right yeah so the fact is that these guys being protected from bad decisions are not really looking at alternatives what they need to do is convert to perennial prairie pastures and grow

cows yeah that's what we need and another element of this with these prices you're talking about this is just so crazy but i heard you describe an example where you know some farmers they actually have a contracted price in advance on the next supply so some of these farmers who are lucky enough to have that contracted price they're getting their chemicals and fertilizer and saying actually you know what i'm not gonna grow this year at all i'm gonna resell this because i will make more margin just reselling the raw material than i will even using it and so if you logic that out you have two farmers one has the product that he needs to to grow the food we don't even really want but he's paid twice as much and the other farmer opted out entirely so you have half the food for twice the price, probably four times the price because the supply is chopped in half. It's really wild. I mean, that's the economics. I mean, that's the market at work, but in this situation, it's so messed up. And I did want to get into a little more about just breaking that perception that nature itself is scarce. No, the supply chain is scarce. The green paper you use as the middleman between you and all the other things you need, that is scarce perhaps based on what you do for a living but nature wants to provide it needs to be shepherded it needs to be worked with but i said in another recent interview we think so much about what we can hand our kids hand down to our kids and our grandkids it's like why didn't you hand them down 50 mature fruit trees on a fucking acre of land why didn't you hand them down you know a space where they could go, instead of the grocery store, to go get the engineered abundance that your family has cultivated. That's what we should hand down. Instead, we've sold. I know so many friends are like, oh, my uncle used to have 80 acres out there and then sold it for a subdivision. We don't have any more land, but I guess talk to us about what you see in nature that really helps make the case that it wants to be worked with. It's not necessarily easy to start, but when you start getting the snowball rolling, it wants to work with you.

Yeah, well, there's a lot more scientific information now in agronomy on the quorum, the biological quorum. It's called a biological quorum. And that is, so often we think of nature as being competitive to each other. The microbes are competitive to each other. The trees are competitive to each other. But actually, when the biology is fully functional, they actually become synergistic. and one microbe says, hey, I'm really good at getting zinc. You're really good at getting molybdenum. How about you get your molybdenum, I'll get the zinc, and we'll work together. And this is actually some of the cutting-edge stuff going on in agronomy right now in the non-chemical approach where we're actually finding these synergistic quorums within the soil biology. So, you know, things actually do want to work, but, you know, tillage and chemicals and herbicides kill the earthworms, kill the microbes, and suddenly you don't have any biology to work anymore. And so the key is to stimulate life, to stimulate the biology, the pollinators, all that stuff. And guess what? It starts to work beautifully. And if I may say one more thing about scale. We've got this notion in our country right now that in order to grow volume and scale, you have to consolidate, concentrate, and centralize. You know, if you've got a 10,000 bird chicken house, you need a 20,000. And if you've got a 20, you need a 30. And it's all about consolidation, concentration, centralization, and scale in that little moment, in that space. Nature doesn't do that. It's opposite the way nature works. Nature doesn't do that. Nature scales by duplication. If nature wants more oak lumber, it doesn't make a great big oak tree. It makes acorns and plants little oak trees. If nature wants more milk, it doesn't make a great big cow. It makes baby calves that grow into cows. If nature wants more tomatoes, it doesn't make a great big tomato plant. It makes a bunch of little tomato plants. Nature scales with duplication. And that's where your idea of, goodness, edible landscaping in our yard. An apple tree doesn't take any more room than an ornamental tree. and and so and and the same the same care that cares for an ornamental tree will work for an apple tree as well and so you know urban gardening urban urban planting and suburban i mean we you know we dump fertilizer on three acres of yard and spend a day a week mowing the stupid thing with

i mean you could almost you know you could feed 30 or 40 people off of that three acre place so so yeah we listen america right now america has has 45 million acres of lawn and 46 million acres feeding and housing recreational horses now i'm not against horses but it but listen if we're in a food shortage let's grow gardens and not horses and and the point is 45 million plus 46 million is 71 million acres 71 million acres is enough to feed the entire country without a single farm i haven't even gotten on to uh you know football fields and golf courses yet so we gotta leave the golf courses alone for me it's the only way i really get out there with the boys and have a good time yeah so so great so the point is that well you know what they could do is start start gardening on the golf course yes yes you know you could um you could uh anyway we go down that rabbit hole but but my point is that land land is not we there's plenty of land plenty of land and plenty of resources plenty of water what we have to do is better stewardship and if we did better stewardship then we would be able to feed ourselves without the chemicals and we'd all be in good shape well said all right i know

you got to get out of here uh i did want to give you a moment to just talk about all the irons you have in the fire the courses the events you know i might get up there to an event now that i'm on the the East coast. Cause what sounds so amazing is having actual farm to table meals for the weekend, but talk to us about all these things and all the promo stuff.

Yeah. So we, we do, we, I mean, first of all, we do ship food nationwide. So if anybody's listening and I say, well, I just don't know where to get this kind of stuff. Start with us while you sleuth your, you know, sleuth your other local purveyors, whatever we do ship nationwide. I've written 17 books. Number 18 is on the way. All that of course is on the website. It's polyface farms p-o-l-y-f-a-c-e polyface farms if you just start in poly it'll probably come up and you see a website there with a lot of things on it other things that we do i do a i do a blog called the musings from the lunatic farmer that doesn't have a schedule i do it when i've got something to say and if i don't i don't do it so that's kind of the way it is i do a weekly podcast with Dr. Sina McCullough called Beyond Labels, and that, I think, releases every Thursday. We have now almost a 50-hour video curriculum called Farm Like a Lunatic. If you ever dreamed about being a farmer, wanted to start a farm, a commercial farm, this is not a homesteader deal. It is geared toward making a living from a farm. It's a video curriculum. and then on the farm we do two-day polyface intensive discovery seminars six meals two days is worth coming just for the food we host we host numerous events here at the farm we have one coming up homesteaders of america's meeting here so we have numerous informational events brownstone institute does a summit here so there are numerous events on the farm all that is seeable and and viewable on our website our farm tours all the different things that we do it there's we there's a lot going on here besides just just farming farming is our core but we're very much an informational education educational nexus to try to reg as you said create a create a legacy for the next generation yes well said good pitch i'm really impressed with all the things you're doing you're an inspiration keep fighting the good fight and take care thank you greg take care all right higher side chatters how about it probably the most famous farmer there is sitting down with little old me trying to move the needle in the direction of sustainable and abundant living. I guess he is a lunatic. Lucky me. Now this does sadly come in a little bit short because he had a scheduling conflict and I make it pretty clear that our show is two hours, but occasionally we skim emails and we miss things. So at least he said yes, but I could tell about an hour and 15 minutes in that his answers started to get very short. And I thought, yeah, this guy wants to get off the call and he's waiting for me to run out of steam, but I got a lot of steam. Eventually he

did have to address it with me. And he said he had another commitment, so he couldn't give me that extra 30 minutes, but what can you do? We're in the middle of the thing. We just got to wrap it up. So I tried to split it evenly between free and plus, but we got what we got. We just had a three-hour show with Chris earlier in the month, so hopefully it evens out somewhere. We just have to play it where it lies sometimes. But there's nobody that I'd rather get updates from when it comes to the state of the food system and food policy in this country. I have so much respect for him going out there and giving these presentations directly to what would be his competition and trying to show them how to be successful and getting them to mimic his template. it's pretty impressive. Many people would just say, screw it. Their loss is my gain, but he truly wants to see a lot of this fixed and he's still trying, even though he's going to be 70 next year. I also say chalk Joel up to another example that shows the benefits of working the land and the sun and connecting with the earth and a diet of eggs, raw milk, and animal meat from livestock that lives a good life. He's 70 and he seems pretty sharp and pretty robust for his age. Of course, do whatever works for you. I don't claim to tell anybody what they should do with their diet, but with so much confusing data out there, my simple stoner mind just looks for the examples in the world that I can look at and go from there. And doing what he's doing doesn't seem like the worst plan. I was also pretty methodical in booking Christian Westbrook when I did right before Joel, because I knew Joel wasn't going to go too hard into the idea of an engineered scarcity conspiracy like Christian would. And I don't really like fear-based arguments, but that is the material that provides the motivation to act. I mentioned 45 fuel storehouses and refinery fires and explosions in just 45 days. This was covered by Dr. Farrell and his latest news and views. Three of those, only three, are in the U.S. And he says, yeah, if you're going to do some sort of global espionage, you're going to want to hit a couple of your own just to cover your tracks. But this seems like a coordinated attack to try and put more dents in the global fuel supply on top of the straight closure. And speaking of Christian Westbrook and what he was talking about at the time, During COVID, we did also see disruptions to the food supply and at the same time, stories of explosions and fires in various factories and corporate facilities in the food sector. Honestly, I think they do what they can without getting caught. And what they're finding is that humanity is better at coming together and making adjustments than they realize.

I think they constantly underestimate us, and so I expect the next wave to be much more aggressive. It's a good strategy to choke the supply in the spring and create the domino effect that doesn't show up until six or ten months later, disrupt a bunch of harvests, because memories are short, and people tend to have a hard time looking back and connecting a current price or product shortage to something that happened almost a year ago. But even if the assessment is wrong and the shortages aren't as bad as advertised and we don't get energy and food rationing and monitoring this time, if you're honest about the direction the world is going, the trend, then you just have to use this information to help yourself. Ask yourself if you're more likely to see a growing number of geopolitical actions that fuel abundance or scarcity. Do you expect the food quality you get from the system? to trend towards nutrient-dense and cheap or nutrient-deficient and expensive. This is all Gordon White stuff that we used to talk about probably halfway through our 12 interviews or 14 interviews we have in the can, but you don't even have to think in apocalyptic terms either. I genuinely just want you to look up wherever you are where there is a farm or ranch within an hour that's independent from the grocery store system and does things organically and actually creates the products they sell and then keep them in business. It's not much. You don't have to change anything else except you redirect the flow of your own personal capital out of the corporate industrial food system and into strengthening a decentralized and independent node on a mission to return to artisanship and community. Get your eggs, dairy, produce, and meat from my local farm. please just make that one change over the next year. We need to take some responsibility for the money that flows through us and at least direct it in some ways that make us proud and feel connected to our community. If you want beef, there's beefmaps.com. If you want raw milk, there's getrawmilk.com. You just put in a zip code and you start trying some places out. Even if you don't want raw milk, those places almost always have other products like produce and local eggs because it's easy to cause disruption at a Tyson distribution center or attack the five major food processors. But this is sort of like guerrilla tactics where these local farms are more resilient anyway, but you give your body a healthy food supply while also making it harder to do these big sweeping coordinated attacks on the supply chain

because your supply chain is a small farm 30 minutes outside of town where everything is created on site, not shipped from New Zealand like ButcherBox. I used to really like ButcherBox. It was a convenient step in a better direction, but the majority of their beef comes from Australia and New Zealand. We have beef right here. If we have fuel and distribution problems, I don't want to be funding Australia's ranchers. I want to fund ours. It's just that simple. I wish them well. Okay. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk. Now the turnaround on this was super quick, faster than most, because I had to say to the editor, Hey, don't cut much out. We're already barely getting enough out of this one. So even though we recorded this on Tuesday and it's getting out to you on Friday of the same week. It's still outdated because Thomas Massey has lost his primary race to a guy nobody seemed to support but Trump-backed to get rid of Massey, I think because he was so vocal about the Epstein files and Israel, too. Listen to this. The primary race in Kentucky this week was the most expensive primary in U.S. election history. In Kentucky. Yeah. Upwards of $83 million total for a Republican primary in a single state. $35 of that was just on getting Thomas Massey out of there. Why? Because he is actually legit. He never let go of those Epstein files, and he was outspoken about the technocrats in the food supply and, of course, major critic of Israel. He had served seven terms. He probably felt like he could be a bit bold. You know, I thought that meant you were basically a lock forever. Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul are the senators of Kentucky, and Mitch has been reelected every time for 41 years. Ron Paul has been there for 15 or Rand Paul always mess that up, but he's been there for 15. I like him, too. But how does Kentucky have Thomas Massey, Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell? Something funny about that. Maybe elections aren't as authentic as they are advertised, but clearly on the rare occasion good people do make it in, they can be pushed out if they get a target on their back pretty easily. Like I think Joel's C letter grade for RFK Jr. is fair. If he does too much, they'll just kick him out. But listen to this about the Kentucky primary. These are some of the details. So official campaign tracking. identified over $9 million in direct ad buys from prominent pro-Israeli group APEC. United Democracy Project, they spent nearly $5 million on targeted advertisement spots. These ads heavily criticized Massey for voting alongside progressive Democrats to reject pro-Israel resolutions.

The Republican Jewish Coalition Victory Fund. dispersed over $4 million on anti-Massey campaigns. This was the largest amount the RJC had ever spent on a single-house primary race. Broader federal election reports and political watchdogs put the total influx closer to $15.5 million when accounting for coordinated dark money and mega donors. Now, the MAGA Kentucky PAC, a separate super PAC backed by top Trump advisors, spent $7.5 million to boost the challenger, Ed Galrein. This pact was heavily funded by prominent pro-Israel billionaires. According to Massey's own campaign evaluations, pro-Israel interests and their affiliated megadonors accounted for roughly 95% of all outside money deployed to unseat him. Now, you don't hear me get all upset about politics very often, And I'm not all upset about this. I don't live in Kentucky, so it has a limited impact anyway. But his voice on the national stage and how funny he was and how bold he was, that was very important. You know, I think we should pour one out for a guy like Tom. Yes, I know his wife died kind of oddly. And then he married another woman 18 months later. That's weird. But I really have no other criticism of the guy. And the official story is that she had a lifelong autoimmune condition, several of them actually, and they were high school sweethearts. So imagine falling deeply in love with someone, having that history and connection, and they have constant health problems. You love them, but I'm sure it is very trying and limiting. And I don't want to say a relief when they go, but maybe there isn't a good word for it. Relief sounds too harsh, but I could see a story there that makes total sense and is authentic, so I don't want to cause too much skepticism about that. But how often do we see a pattern of someone very, very close to the inner circle of a person dies, and then they're on the national stage? You've got to consider it because it's a pattern we see too often. But anyway, in the case of Thomas Massey, I guess he's no longer relevant. Who knows what he'll do? Maybe he'll run for governor, but he was so critical of Israel that they circled the wagons and got him out of there. And just in his concession speech, he had a solid jab, and I think that I should actually play it. So I'm going to play a couple of minutes of his concession speech. It's 20 minutes. Obviously, we're not going that hard, but just listen to a couple of these lines.

I would have come out sooner, but I had to call my opponent and concede, and it took a while to find Ed Galrine in Tel Aviv. Welcome to the most expensive congressional primary ever in the 250-year history of this country. It's not just the most expensive. This thing went on longer than Vietnam. It started nine months ago, and they didn't even have a candidate, and they decided they wanted to take me out. Contrary to all the BS you've heard, We've never had a single ethics complaint filed against me or my staff in 14 years. But here's one thing I saw on Fox. They were saying, oh, my goodness, you know, we're ready for war. There's about this. We're about to restart this war. We were supposed to restart this war today, but we can't restart this war today. The war can't start today. They said we got away today. and now then it like it occurred to me where was the secretary at war yesterday he was here listen wait wait wait wait no look on it look on the bright side no more wars no more wars no more wars all right we know we don't want a war and we know why young people are and you know middle-aged people are against the next war because we'd be the ones fighting it they're trying to bring back the draft screw that we're not going to fight some other country's wars are we no what else what else do we stand for not we don't want to send our money overseas. Okay, I'll go for that. I've got a bill to do that. I've also got a bill to end the ed in the Department of Education. Rand Paul says he wants to pass a law that you need one day to read 10 pages of every bill. I asked Rand, what are you going to do about my bill? sentence long to end the Department of Education. That'd be like five minutes to read that bill. By the way, do you know how many pages the Epstein Falls Transparency Act was? Two pages. We don't want, we're tired of meddling overseas. We can't afford it. Our empire will collapse if we keep sending our money to other countries. I never picked a fight with the country that's tried to take me out here because I've never but I've never voted for foreign aid to any country we got to take care of America first America first America first by the way there was you remember that organization that Klaus Schwab started called

the World Economic Forum he said they said you should eat bugs do you want to eat bugs they said you'll own nothing and be happy about it you want to do that well guess what happened guess what happened to klaus the ceo he was in the epstein files he had to resign we took out we took out the ceo of the world economic forum with a two-page bill for years i've been standing up for the second amendment the first amendment fourth amendment The Fifth Amendment, the Tenth Amendment. I just realized the Seventh Amendment is under attack. It's because I serve on the Judiciary Committee. The Seventh Amendment is your right to a jury trial. They've taken it away for vaccines. If you get hurt, you can't sue for vaccines. They're trying to take it away for pesticides. They're trying to take it away for these data centers. No. We've been fighting that back. So that's an amendment that, frankly, I didn't think I was going to have to fight for, but I've been fighting for it in D.C., and we need to keep fighting for the Seventh Amendment, too. These corporations want get-out-of-court free cards. We're not going to give them one. What else is part of our coalition? Maha. Is anybody here for Maha? Does anybody want to eat poison?

No.

Do you want the government telling you what to eat? Do you want the government telling you to put a needle in your arm? I don't either. That's why I've been fighting all of that stuff. We need food freedom. We need medical freedom. We need all of those freedoms. We need basic decency. That's what the Epstein Files Transparency Act was all about. By the way, today is the six-month anniversary of the Epstein Files Transparency Act. We've taken out two dozen CEOs, an ambassador, a prince, a prime minister, a minister of culture. And that was just six months. I got seven months left in Congress. when when did bipartisanship become a dirty word in this country it never should be by the way i'm not even sure that i'm bipartisan bi means you like both i might be trans partisan because i can't identify with either some days that's the great thing about the polls being closed they can't run an ad where i claim to be trans transpartisan thank you very much i don't know which cloak room to go in bipartisanship we need to bring this country together we it is not there's too much of the uniparty in washington dc what we need is a unity so that sucks he was one of the good ones but

this is what will always happen to the good ones we win by divesting from the system personally and investing in the local community and that's all there is there are no politicians that save us but the farm bill did pass the house it still has the prime act in it and it's pending in the Senate. So keep an eye on this. Now that Massey is out, they'll probably get that out of there too. Why not? Everything is broken and corrupt. To use a Gordon phrase, the difference between permaculture and prepping is really just timeline scale or perceived remaining time. My kids eat fruit and leaves from things in our yard, and this is a positive thing regardless. of what's going on in the world out there that's the attitude i try to take the world doesn't need to collapse for this to be beneficial and good and the guys i follow in the permaculture food forest space all are saying the same thing i try to be careful to not overload thc with that sort of stuff just because it's a personal interest but they say you should grow things that thrive on neglect. I like that phrase. You can get some things to grow in certain places if you want to shield them from the elements and work really, really hard, or you can just grow things that thrive on neglect where you are. We had a frost this winter that killed the four mango trees we planted. Okay. Lesson learned. I'm probably not going to be the guy out covering trees when it's 30 degrees and trying to force something to work that doesn't want to work. So no more mango trees. I can live with that. Maybe I look for heartier varietals, or maybe I just say instead of mangoes, it's loquats and bananas. I just love the abundance stuff. The evidence is there. You can see how the Amazon was cultivated with terra preta biochar. The engine was started and it just exploded and the soil replenishes itself without as much maintenance and we could start our engines here or at least you could on your own land if you're lucky enough to be able to secure some i also say get chickens they are so easy and there are more eggs than you'll know what to do with my daughter decided she doesn't like scrambled eggs anymore fine crack three raw eggs in a smoothie add raw milk blend up some berries and she's good to go she doesn't even know she had eggs she's the tallest in her class it's interesting i personally have a bad ice cream habit at the end of the day i want to smoke a joint and eat some ice cream like a child but corporate ice cream is loaded with seed oils and other bullshit so my daughter and i we make our own eight raw egg yolks two cups of raw milk a cup of raw cream a half cup of raw honey a little vanilla extract and a cup of good cocoa powder and that's it

no sugar added everything's organic, most of it raw it's fucking supercharged and I honestly think it's as good tasting as top tier ice cream but get chickens if you can they are so easy, you'll wonder why you didn't do it earlier my friends and family always leave with eggs and we have plenty more five birds lay like four eggs a day so at the end of the week, you're drowning little changes go a big way is what I'm saying alright well in higher side news I think I'm going to come up a little short this month technically if you include the stream I did with Miguel and Chris that was two hours but I don't like thinking of that as content to be honest sure it was recorded but that was for my mental health and needing to talk to two guys who at least understand the weight of the loss more than most other people in my life so I would have done that not recorded I wouldn't have cared I didn't want to cry on the internet anyway but I started working on a Gordon Clips show and it was just too hard for me to do right now and my wife basically said hey just put this out of your head and take a little break your listeners will understand and I'm gonna take her advice on that I hope you do and look it's not like I'm taking a month off we had a three hour show with Chris Knowles to kick off may then christian westbrook full show war mode also good a two-hour remembering gordon show and we're capping it off with joel salatin it's actually a really strong lineup but i would just like to stop being online for the rest of the month it's only like eight days and then try to come back recharged and go full steam ahead in june i already have some things on the calendar that are surprising even to me but we know about that curse of talking about things before they happen so i won't but let's see what plus people thought of the war mode guys i really was not sure it's a bit outside of a normal thc usually we are doing something a bit more academic with an author doing a deep dive on something that is their expertise and this of course is just some guys shooting the shit but i don't know what i was worried about 4.7 very very solid i'm glad we have more in common than i might have thought amongst the audience of course i hope i can stay in touch with them i know they have a lot of their own shit going on but it is the kind of hang that i'm very thirsty for having more in my life recorded or not. In fact, their latest episode, Bill goes really hard on

Dr. Richard Amblin and his book, The Great Prostate Hoax, about prostate cancer and the PSA test. Another test that doesn't mean anything, but because they can get a scary number on that test, it lets doctors talk men into cutting out their prostates, and most would never have a problem, but now they can't get hard, or their dick leaks urine, so they need to pens. I have heard some stories, but I don't know anyone else who has read that book. So I acquire this knowledge, and if I don't do an interview, it's just like bottled up, and I definitely don't have casual friends that talk about this stuff. So tuning into warm mode, hearing him break down that book, it was great. I actually was going back and forth with Richard in email right when COVID started to get really bad. And I think I might've dropped the ball because I was like, well, this can kind of sit on the back burner. If I'm going to do a medical show right now, this COVID thing looks like it might be a big story, but you know, just hearing him talk about it, I got all charged up because it's wild stuff. And typically I just don't have people bringing these things up to me in regular life or even responding when I try to do it myself. I'm seeing more of my male friends on SSRIs and GLP-1s and ketamine treatments for depression. So really any medical conspiracy stuff is just very, very touchy. We leave it alone. There should be no touchy subjects between good male friends, but I ended up here anyway, somehow. But go check out more War Mode. Tell them you liked Teardom on THC. Make them feel like they should come back regularly, because they should. Alright, meetup calendar. May 24th, we have a meetup at the Alibi Room in Vancouver, British Columbia. Then June 6th, this one's new, Palm Bay, Florida. I looked it up. It's two and a half hours from me. I don't know if I'm going to make it to this one on short notice, but I will read the description. Small Equipment Rx would like to host a life hack swap meet. The idea is to share food, beverages, and practical skills in the areas of farming, equipment repair, survival, hunting, etc. in a casual BYOB meet and greet style at a grungy lawnmower repair shop. This is a casual meet with no set agenda. I'll provide a grill, cooler, ice, and tables. I will also have multiple small engines on display to demonstrate common repairs and would love to answer any specific questions you might have I love that, that is way better than just a brewery and obviously fits very well with the themes of this show and the direction that my life is moving but I don't know, June 6th

it's pretty tight two and a half hours is also a long time for a guy with two young kids anyway, it's not about me Maybe if you can make it to Palm Bay, Florida on June 6th, that's a good one to go to. Now, June 7th, St. Paul, Minnesota, Blackstack Brewing. June 13th, Riverside, California at the Brickwood. June 21st, Chicago, Illinois, the Map Room. And that is on the summer solstice. I love when people point that out. June 27th, Arizona, Gilbert, Arizona, Desert Monks Brewing. and July 6th, Northcott Point, Auckland, New Zealand, and also July 20th, Oaks, Pennsylvania at the Arnold's Family Fun Center. And August 11th is that tech conference in Albuquerque. So I see that the calendar has at least doubled in the events that are on there. And I think probably because a lot of people feel a sense of loss and feel slightly more motivated to form that community that the meetup calendar is there for you to use to form. All right. Well, I hope you found Joel inspiring and informative. Sign up for plus. If you want to double your fun, you might actually get a kick out of him politely trying to signal that he's done and me casually pretending I'm unaware and trying to push through. Look, I love Joel. I don't take it personally. It's just funny. We also talked about a bacteria that pulls nitrogen out of the air, a hundred pounds per acre, but it requires at least 4% organic matter in the soil to actually thrive. Otherwise it goes dormant. And it's just one of those mechanisms in nature. You do a little bit, you get the organic material in the soil and. The lever gets switched on so that it actually starts to generate more abundance. That is how things work. But we have to kind of kick over the first few dominoes. We have to get the snowball formed and start rolling it down the hill. Nature wants to help, but we got to help ourselves a little bit first. Anyway, take care of you and yours. I've done my part. Your move, soil depletors, frankenfood feeders, and anti-abundance agents of big ag. Your fucking move

Do you feel betrayed By the ones you're told to trust Well you know you don't get much help From the ones that beat you up Like a dog that don't obey We're just left to lick the wounds They say that it will be okay Or at least be over soon And the cycle continues Cause we don't seem to care For the ones who come after No will to repair Bread and circuses Really is an awful trade But what are you gonna do It's the deal our parents made We see the crash is coming Why won't someone grab the wheel Apathetic to the next collision Haven't even had the time to heal So the cycle continues Cause we don't make the space For the ones who come after Much love lost in this place They don't change their ways at the top So we gotta change ours Make all the new pain stop And tell the story of our scars But it all seems so hard to do And who else will try Just want to be comfortable I guess Easier to believe the lies So the cycle continues Cause it's all about me And the ones that come after Can try to get themselves free We always have the numbers, we never have the drive We sometimes have the mindset right, rarely tempted to thrive Too much weighing us down, no motivation to hunt Hard to truly go for the win, so again we pun And the cycle continues, we don't even discuss For the ones who come after Cause no one did it for us The cycle continues Ignorance and blind faith Hope the ones who come after Can learn from our mistakes