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This is the Moth Radio Hour. I'm your host, Suzanne Rust. You don't have to join the circus to perform acts of bravura. Life itself is a high-wire act. We are constantly putting ourselves on the line, taking risks, and searching for balance. This episode features stories about finding your equilibrium when life knocks you sideways. Sometimes you just have to step out on that wire and be brave enough to go across. But sometimes, like our first teller, you just have to join the circus. This story was told by Tiffany McKinney at a Detroit slam. Here's Tiffany live at the Moth.

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Hey, this is scary.

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I woke up one morning, opened my eyes, and waited. I knew this morning would be the same as every other morning had been for the past two months. My husband and best friend of 22 years had passed away, and I waited for grief to greet me. I waited for my brain to start the same argument, to just stay in the bed and not get up. But I did. I got up, and it was Monday. I checked my cell phone, and I smiled. my group of girlfriends. They were texting me, giving me messages of encouragement, telling me they were proud of me and sending me memes of hoops of fire, someone taming a lion, and a lady in a sparkly leotard flying through the air. The week prior, I had decided I had to do something to make myself feel better, something to help me find joy. And I was working with a personal trainer. I had signed up for a swim class. When I saw a local news segment interviewing the owner of the Detroit Fly House Circus. Yes, so I said, ooh. Well, what I was really impressed about is they had aerial silks, and I don't know if you know what that is, but it's the fabric in the air, and you see the fancy ladies up there in their sparkly costumes swinging through the air, and I could just see myself in the sparkly leotard, so I joined the circus. that Monday was to be my first day of circus training so I put on my t-shirt my leggings the uniform of circus people I guess and went down to the Detroit Fly House Circus so when I got there I mean it was just a warehouse I wasn't impressed but I'm like I don't know what I expected to see but I was still excited and there was about a group of eight of us and as you can imagine we were a very eclectic group down there ready to take circus classes and so they divided the class up into two groups and my group started first on the aerial silks and you could see the silk in the air it was so beautiful it was purple and the instructor walks over and pulls the cord and I mean it just dramatically like flow from the ceiling it was so beautiful and I was so excited So we stood in a line, and the instructor told us, he taught us how to hold.

mount the fabric and pull ourselves up. So I'm standing last in the line of four people and one by one, first person goes up, wraps their arm up, wraps their foot up and pulls himself up the air. So eventually it's my turn. Now these people, some of them apparently had had circus training prior to that day because they were up there spinning and doing all kinds of flips and tricks and I'm mesmerized, not thinking eventually it's going to be my turn, but once I grabbed onto the rope, and I felt, you know, felt the weight of myself, like, I promise you, it was not until that point that I actually thought about it, and like, reality crashed. It like slapped me in the face, and I'm thinking, first of all, I'm heavy. Second of all, I mean, I'm probably the oldest one in this room. I was older than everybody, including that little instructor and I'm out of shape but I'm there now so I'm holding on and I'm trying to pull myself up and as I'm trying I managed to get like two feet off the ground but my foot is tangled up in the fabric and it's squeezing it so tightly and it hurts so I kind of fumble my way down and I'm embarrassed and I'm sweating okay and I'm out of breath but everybody's just kind of gracious and we just go with it and the instructor continues to tell us how to do these other tricks on the silks and every time I'm last in the line of four and these people just get up there and spin around and make it look so easy and it's my turn and I'm out of breath and I'm out of shape and I'm so embarrassed so about an hour in we take a break and at this point I am just overwhelmed I'm so humiliated and I'm still sweating and I just decided first of all I couldn't look anybody in the face so I just said keep your head down get your purse get in the car go home so I grabbed my purse I walked out the door. I got into the parking lot and I promise you as soon as my foot hit the parking lot I felt the Lord speak to me and remind me that this was my story. Nobody in there knew that every single day I was fighting for the will to live. Nobody knew how hard it was and nobody else had that story and I wasn't going to let them take this little bit of joy from me. So I wiped my face, I turned around and went back to the circus. So the second half of class, we still have to finish the class. The second half of class, we learned tricks on a hoop. Now, when I signed up for this, in my mind, I thought, what? Hula hoop, because I see ladies at the circus using a hula hoop. No, no. This is a thin metal hoop hanging about five feet off the ground from this thick rope, right? And, oh, God, here we go. I'm thinking I'm going to have my Rocky moment. This is going to be it, but that's not what happened. So the instructor starts again, and he's telling us how to, you know, get up on this hoop or whatever. And again, I'm last in the line of four people, and it's just as hard. I'm struggling. I'm sweating.

They even had to lower that hoop down one foot just from me. But let me tell you something. By the time I pulled all 230 pounds up on that little metal hoop, the entire class was cheering for me, including the instructor.

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I almost cried. I was so excited. So I just, I had my moment. I took it. I closed my eyes and I leaned back and I pictured myself in this sparkly leotard. And when I opened my eyes, the little instructor is standing there. He's like, you want me to take your picture? No, sir. I know this is not look like anything like what it does in my head. Just leave me be. so needless to say life is still not what i expected it to be it's still messy it's still hard i still have to be reminded that this is my story and i get to walk it out however i choose but i know how to find joy even in the hard things and while i finished that six-week class i did not return to the circus instead of hoping for a sparkly leotard i just went to target and

bought one. That was Tiffany McKinney. She is an entrepreneur and speaker. Tiffany has given up the hoops and silks, but she has other goals. Every day she looks for people she can encourage. She feels privileged to share the knowledge that hard things, terrible things can happen, but she believes that you can still find joy on the other side of it. On that note, Tiffany says that she is on a never-ending quest for a piña colada and a palm tree. To see a photo of Tiffany, head to themoth.org in the radio extras. There are moments in life when just being who you are is an extreme act of bravery, an act of defiance. Our next story was told by Dave Lara, who shared it at a MOF main stage in New London, Connecticut. where we partner with Gard Arts Center. Here's Dave. In the olden days, it was mostly men that went to war. And in fact, the term band of brothers comes from that old time period. They were men that had similar life experiences, wives, children, regular jobs. They were drinking buddies. And you can depend on these band of brothers to get you through the worst that war threw at you. my mother died and an absent father made a life-changing event for me I was 17 and the juvenile courts of Los Angeles declared me an adult they called me emancipated so I took my emancipated ass and I joined the Navy but I didn't have a band of brothers. I was a criminal. Being gay had laws against my existence. There were penalties that included jail, whether I was in or outside of the military. There were witch hunts looking for me in my kind, but I had no choice. I made it through boot camp and was assigned to hospital core school to become sort of a nurse, not quite a doctor, but most definitely a

bedpan washer. I joke, of course. A hospital corpsman does what a doctor does to save a man's life in the field. After I finished, I got orders to the USS Repose, a hospital ship off the coast of Vietnam. Most of my time would be on that ship. I was lucky. I remember it was raining when I landed in Vietnam, and with the red mud and green uniforms of the Marines. Everything became sepia-toned, like in the movie Wizard of Oz, with its friends of Dorothy's. My ship wasn't on station, so I had to spend like 12 days up at an aid station near the DMZ called Dong Ha. Two corpsmen, Matt and Joe, were assigned to me and got me up to speed on my temporary duties. Matt was a short, stocky, blonde, cute little fucker, and he was battle-hardened and strong. That was in love. Joe, a big, burly, Polish guy, well, he had a droll sense of humor. He was so much fun to be around. They happened to be gay. Yeah, even then we had gay, Dar. It usually started with the question, so, do you have a girlfriend? In war, you make friends fast. And so as I reported to my ship, we agreed that we were going to get together somehow. And that opportunity came quick. The Repose, my hospital ship, was scheduled to spend R&R in Hong Kong for New Year's Eve. Joe and Matt got the time off, joined me and two other gays that I'd found on the ship at the Hong Kong Hilton. We rented a double suite, and we spent the whole night talking about what it was like being gay. It was the first time we had ever been around our own kind. When the others went back to bed, finally, Matt and I stayed up talking seriously. If two men could make a life together, society said that we were either insane or criminals. We didn't even know if our love was valid.

Matt eventually went to bed saying he just wished she could find someone to love. It was there that we called ourselves The Group, and that's with a capital T, based on a novel by Mary McCarthy. It's a story, a very campy story, of women who meet at Vassar, and then we follow them through their life, and the principal themes being job discrimination, sexism, and men, like us. it was rough because I always lose my train of thought at some point oh yeah the group became our band of brothers We had shared experiences, things that we knew about. And like our straight compatriots, our band of brothers got us through the worst of war, the pain, the suffering, and the dying. It was a tradition at the time for sailors to buy Zippo lighters and have their ship name, their job title, their base etched on those lighters. We had ours etched with the group, and our bond was sealed. I mention Band of Brothers because we were seeing the worst of war. Matt and Joe, every day at Dongha, were under constant rocket attacks. I on the ship was seeing suffering and pain it became routine for men to die in my hands. My 13 months were up and I once again joined Matt and Joe at Dong Ha to spend my last week in Vietnam before going back to the world. The second day I was there, Matt and I found ourselves alone as we came off a shift, and he said, David, why haven't we ever made love? I laughed, and I go, dude, we haven't had a chance. But he asked, you want to, don't you? And I leaned in and kissed him. A few days later, a dust-off, a medevac, was needed at a base very close to the DMZ.

It was called Kantian, and the unit up there were known as the Walking Dead. Matt went on one chopper, I went on another. Joe was already up there. We landed, and we began to load the wounded. A rocket hit the chopper that Matt had come in on, and he was standing at the door and was blown several feet. I ran to him, I knew he was dying, and as I looked at him he had glistening tears in his eyes and I told him I wish we could have been lovers I love you Matt I love you Joe and some Marines were gathered around nobody cared that two men could love each other, not there. And then Matt died. He just died. I bent my head on his chest crying. I could hear Joe say, come on Dave, you gotta go. He pointed to the chopper I'd come in on he said it's a rotor blazer spinning like crazy if you don't get going it's gonna get blown up too I just stared at him he grabbed my chin and he made me look at him he goes you've been here long enough you know how this works. And then he whispered, the friendship's over. Now go. I searched mad

pockets looking for that Zippo the one inscribed with the group and it's capital T. It was 1967 and when I went home I was alone and in pain and I don't remember anything of my trip going back to the world. In 1970 the witch had caught up with me. I was stationed at Quantic over Virginia, and I was discharged for the crime of being a homosexual. It was less than honorable. I packed my uniforms and the five medals I had been awarded into my sea bag and as I left the base for the last time I threw it into a dumpster. I had been so proud of my medals but my less than honorable discharge erased them from my service record. I went to Arlington where Matt is buried, and I promised him I would do something to change the world so that men like he and I could serve honorably. In the 1970s, I became a soldier in the gay rights movement, and I helped establish the first gay men's service center in Los Angeles. In the 80s, I joined an AIDS activist group called Act Up, and we were petitioning the government to find treatments for the disease. And in the 2000s, I became members of veterans groups of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans to show by my presence that you could survive what war does to you. I still have Matt's Zippo. It's the same shape as his tombstone, like all the headstones there at Arlington. You know what? I'm not bitter. The Navy gave me more than it took.

He gave me wisdom, he gave me Matt, and I have kept Matt Slider as a reminder of the best time of my life and of a man I still love. Thank you.

That was Dave Lara. Dave came to us through the Moss Community Program via a workshop that we held with veterans in media and entertainment. Dave, who writes novels and performs, describes himself as a retired 79-year-old Mexican-Jewish high school dropout who is trying to stay relevant. While Dave says he can't do all that he used to, he still considers himself an activist. He still shows up in veteran circles sharing the story of the group, making sure people know that men like them were always there and died for this country just like everyone else.

I've been asked, what would I say to Matt if I could sit down with him right now? This is such a painful question. Do I speak to him as the young man I was or the old man I've become? Because he is forever young to me. I'll answer as the old man, and I would lean into my friend Matt and say, don't worry, my sweet boy, we would have had our chance at love. We did change society, not completely, but enough that what you and I thought was impossible in our youth became real. The journey was brutal. Our small band of brothers, the group, those men didn't achieve.

acceptance for themselves in life. They never found the strength to fight society. They could not break out of the mold that they had built for themselves. But I did. And I know you would have been right beside me as I fought every single day for the rights and respect you and I deserved. I love you, Matt. I always will.

That was Dave Lara. To see some photos of Dave from the time of his story, go to our website, themoth.org. In a moment, pushing the limits and pushing your luck, when the Moth Radio Hour continues.

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This is the Moth Radio Hour, and I'm your host, Suzanne Rust. How far would you go to get your colleagues to like you? Martha McBriar went full tilt, and she shared her adventure at a London Grand Slam Here's Martha, live at the mall.

Everybody likes me. I am so nice, I'm actually scary. And I've always been proud of that. And in 2004, I took a community development job in a little Scottish village called Tweker. I was advised not to take the job. I was told, they don't like outsiders. They will not like you. And I thought, well, that's not going to happen. So I start the job and it becomes evident that I'm roundly despised. I tried everything to please them. They wanted to learn first aid. I set up a 12-week course. None of them attended. A guy had a heart attack in the foyer of the centre and I got the blame. I set up a break dancing class for the young people and the trainer left because the kids defecated on the bonnet of his car. I asked the women in the mother and toddlers group if they would not smoke round the babies and they sent round a petition demanding I stopped interfering. It was very, very stressful. and one morning one of the committee came in and said we're holding a gala in a few weeks we do it every year to raise funds can you bake and I can't say that I can't bake because this will be another reason they've got to hate me and before I even knew what I had said I said, oh I'm not doing a bake sale I'm doing a parachute jump I've got a lot of sponsors she said I'll tell the rest of the committee they all came in and they said would you like to choose the gala queen the ultimate respect I had won them over one small issue I suffer from severe vertigo I am terrified of heights I can't even look up at a balcony that's how badly it affects me but I can't back out and I tell my sister

and she says are you crazy this is so dangerous why would you do that she says come on would you rather be disliked or dead and I said well dead obviously she says okay I'll go and get a headstone tomorrow here lies Martha she was liked I'll see you next time.

And I said, that would be great. So the people in the village all start being nice to me. They bring me lunch. We have banter. They give me a nickname, Jumper. So I cannot back out. The time comes to do the jump. I do two days of safety training. and the instructor said your parachute should open if it does not punch and your safety parachute should open if that does not open you will plunge to your death in 11 seconds that seemed like a really long time I saw the plane it was about the size of a coffee table and it had no door so I vomited for two hours but I went in and I was crying sobbing with fear but at 3,000 feet I jumped from the plane and my parachute opened and it was so blissful it was wonderful and I came over all Louis Armstrong and I said, oh Scotland's really pretty and I can fly and just at that a quite powerful gust of wind blew me and I couldn't steer past it and I thought, yeah this is when I die but I landed about 24 miles away in the grounds of a lesser known Scottish castle and I was chased for some time by a rather troubled bull but it was still one of the best experiences of my life and I raised a thousand pounds but within 48 hours they reverted back to hating me again so I resigned and they got me a leaving card with no signatures in it and a few years later I met one of them in town And she said, oh, it's so lovely to see you. What a shame you left. We always liked you. Thank you.

That was Martha McBriar, a Scot living in London whose passions are belly dancing, watching true crime, and critiquing the neighbours' recycling. After losing her hearing, she struggled with confidence until she discovered the power of true storytelling. Martha said that the moth gave her her voice back. When Martha reflects on that event, she said that the first thing that comes to mind is an intense feeling of peace while she was in the air and how that moved her to tears. But then she cringes when she remembers that she did something that dramatic to get people to like her. Her last brave act was a hill walk with a friend up Ben Loman Mountain in Scotland with inadequate equipment, no sense of direction, and a false sense of optimism. Even when she slipped and fell and dangled from a snowy rock, sobbing with beer, Martha said that she didn't have the heart to tell her friend that she really wasn't enjoying the experience. In a moment, a story of lipstick and memories when The Moth Radio Hour continues.

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This is The Moth Radio Hour. I'm Suzanne Rust. As we end this hour, we have a final exploration of the ways in which life continually challenges us to find our balance and recalibrate. Our last story was told by Arshia Kapadia, who shared it at a main stage in New Brunswick, where we partnered with the State Theatre New Jersey. Here's Arshia, live at the mall. Good evening. How are you doing? today. So, my name is Archie and I'm made in Bombay, India, where I spent most of my life. I'm an only child and my mom was a single parent, a teacher. Ammi had a deep love for life and all the finer things in life. Her sari collection was absolutely beautiful. She collected saris from all over India. Her jewelry collection was fabulous, much coveted. She actually had so many incredible pieces that all of her cousins often borrowed some of them and never returned it, so maybe I should follow up on that. I remember the house was never empty. She loved cooking, she loved feeding people. Sometimes, you know, people were almost sitting on top of each other fighting for that last scoop of biryani. But I think not a lot of people are aware of this, that Ammi had a secret addiction. She was a lover of lipsticks. Her eyes lit up like diamonds when she saw a tube of lipstick. Shiny, creamy, beautiful, glistening, just waiting to be applied. Her favorite colors were the darker reds, the maroons, the rust. Shinier the better, I think, was her motto. But I think what she really wanted and lusted were those elusive foreign brands that we didn't get in India back then. They came encased in these shimmery golden tubes and you were dependent on your foreign relatives to, you know, hustle them into the country for you. So she had made a pact with one of her cousins who lived in London. His name was Khalik, Khalik Uncle. We Indians call everybody uncle and auntie, so just roll with that. So Khalik Uncle came over the Christmas holidays every year and without fail he would bring one of her favorite brands, which was Max Factor. Right before he arrived, a letter would arrive in the mail in which he would write, my dear Nasima, I'm coming as usual over the Christmas holidays and I'm bringing the latest shade of Max Factor with me. Ami would be counting down the days. And along with her, so would I. Ammi passed away when I was 13. She had stage 3 breast cancer, and she didn't survive that very long. Within a year, she was gone.

It was imminent. Since she passed away at around 10 p.m. in the night, and it's customary to bury the dead after one of the five obligatory prayers in the Islamic tradition, it was decided that we would bury her in the morning after the first prayer of the day. So we brought Ami's body home, and it was kept on these huge chunks of dry ice in the room that I shared with her. I remember standing in that room, seeing her body and wondering, what should I do now? Was there some playbook that people forgot to give me? What should a 13-year-old do? Should I be like lamenting, crying my heart out, or should I be all strong and silent and pretend to be this really strong, stoic girl? I didn't know. My mother, she has four brothers, and it was decided that they would raise me after her death. So I remember my eldest uncle, who I call Mamu Jan, he came into the room at this point. He came over and he held me and he said, Arshi, take all the time you want tonight. No one will disturb you. I remember standing in that room, wondering what to do. People kept drifting in and out of the room to pay their last respects to her, but also to check in on me. But they left me alone mostly to my own thoughts. They say the darkest hour of the night is right before dawn. I was dreading dawn. I was hoping the sun would never rise. The night was stretching endlessly ahead of me, and at some point, I think I dozed off. And then, I heard the birds chirping, the first glimmer of sunshine through the curtains. I got up from the floor, and I walked over to Ami's dressing table. I looked at her precious lipsticks and I wondered what will become of you now? Then I heard my eldest uncle Mamu Jan quietly tiptoe into the room. He came over to me and he said it's time. In that moment all I wanted to do was run back to Ami's dressing table grab one of her favorite lipsticks and paint her red lips one more time just before she left the house. so I asked my uncle may I and he said sorry beta but that's not allowed just say a quiet prayer and let her go so I said surely we belong to the almighty and to him we shall return and they took her away the next night after Ami's passing away was the longest night of my life

grief was everywhere I looked even the pillows were crying I remember my nanny, my maternal grandmother she told me once you know Arshi, God is so merciful right before he sends the angel of death to take someone's life he first sends the archangel Gabriel you know why he does that? because he doesn't want to scare the servant with the face of death he just wants to give folks a gentle heads up okay maybe I love my grandmother but this story doesn't make any sense how can God be the most merciful one when he was showing so much cruelty to me a mere 13 year old I didn't know what to do but maybe, maybe, just maybe let's consider this, maybe that was the grand plan that Ami would go first and then this beautiful angel, Gabriel, would show up and take me to her to the other side. That would just work out perfectly because I didn't want to live without her, not for a single minute. I sat down, waiting for Gabriel. No sign of him. And then I remembered my plan B. Oh yeah, I had a plan B. I'm an only child, remember? We always have a plan B. unknown to anyone else I had secretly acquired a tube of rat poison it was called rat oil paste and was easily available back in those days in Indian homes it was hiding under the bed and now I was clutching it in my hand and in that moment all I wanted to do was ingest the whole goddamn fucking deal. Just do it, Arshi, says the voice in my head. Your mother is dead. She's never going to come back. She's never going to find out. And even if she does, it's going to be too late. It's now or never. And then I hear a soft voice in my head. It's hers, she says. Promise me, Arshi. If anything were to happen to me, you'll never do anything silly. you won't take your own life. You have to promise me. My mother, of course she knew me so well. That was her dying wish. Oh, but come on, she's dead, right? Says the voice. You can do this. My head is going to burst into a million pieces. And then my eldest uncle, Mamu-chan, walks into the room again. He holds me close to him, he pats me, and he says, i know you you're going through so much right now words are not easy there are no words to console

you you need help ask ask god for help ask for his forgiveness ask for his mercy start praying sure i do need help but forgiveness why should i be the one asking god for forgiveness he should be the one asking me for my forgiveness in fact he should be begging me for my forgiveness and not the other way around oh Arshi you'll have so much time to have your one on one with God now is not the time for arguments just be the obedient little Indian girl you are and start praying maybe Gabriel will show up maybe God will have mercy on you okay so I start praying the night is just ending and I can feel the darkness closing in on me I think I pass out on the floor at some point and then I hear the first birds chirping the glimmer of sunshine the curtains start moving no sign of Gabriel he didn't show up maybe he forgot about me maybe he doesn't care enough or he became busy with chores because he's like working for so many different gods I don't know but the message is clear I have to live no one is going to come save me slowly I find my legs I get up. I slide the rat poison back under the bed and I make my way to Ammi's dressing table. One by one, I pick up her lipsticks and I put them away in one of her favorite jewelry boxes. I close the lid and I say, Khuda Afiz Ammi, farewell. I never open that box again. I look at it from time to time, but I just let it be. I now live in New Jersey. No prizes for guessing that I have a pretty formidable lipstick collection of my own now. I remember the first time I walked into a Sephora and I bought a beautiful shade of Chanel lipstick. Cleamy, creamy, glistening, just waiting to be applied. It cost me more than $30. Didn't even bat an eyelid, didn't convert it into Indian rupees. Just pay it up. Oh, Ammi, I thought, you must be so proud of me. But I haven't really gravitated towards the shiny reds, pinks, you know, the brighter colors that she loved. I'm more of a nude girl myself. So I think that Ammi would have been really disappointed

in my choice of lipstick shades. Hey, Ammi, I survived. I live to tell the tale. Haan, theek hai. It's okay, Arshi, beta. So why can't you tell this tale wearing shiny red lipstick? Indian parents. There's no winning. But I tried, Ammi. I really tried.

That was Arshia Kapadia. Arshia is a global communications leader, storyteller, and mother of twins who has lived across three continents but is now based in the New York tri-state area. Arshia holds a master in film and television. And back in India, she was a journalist and non-fiction TV producer, creating some of the country's most iconic shows, including MTV Style Check and Life's Like That. She believes the best stories are the ones we live first and rewrite later. Obviously, I had to know what her favorite lipstick was these days. She said it's a matte crayon lipstick from an Indian brand called Sugar in the shade Lily Aldrin, a deep pink mauve color. I was on the subway the other day and watched a mother lovingly apply some lip gloss to her young teen daughter's lips She then took out a mirror from her bag so that the girl could admire herself and they both smiled at the reflection It was a beautiful, intimate moment that really made me miss my mother who died when I was just 21 I think that learning to live through loss and grief is one of the scariest high-wire acts of all. Losing my mother at a young age really shaped me, and I wonder how it shaped Arshia. She said that it made her realize early on that nothing is guaranteed, not people, not time, not even memories. In Arshia's words, when you're afraid of forgetting the sound of someone's voice, you start looking for something tangible to hold on to. When the person you rely on most disappears so suddenly, A part of you learns to keep some distance. It's not cynicism. It's self-protection. But it's also made me intentional about the relationships I do have. If I let someone in, it means something. So losing her didn't just shape my grief. It shaped my approach to life. Hold on to what matters. Accept that some things will fade. And build trust carefully, but wholeheartedly, when you find people who feel steady. Those are the words of Arshia Kapadia That's it for this episode of the Moth Radio Hour Thanks to all of our storytellers for being brave enough to step out on the high wire and share their stories and to all of you for spending some time with us today We appreciate you and hope you'll join us next time.

this episode of the moth radio hour was produced by me jay allison and suzanne rust who also hosted the show co-producer is vicki merrick associate producer emily couch the stories were directed by jody powell and larry rosen the moth's leadership team includes christina Norman, Marina Cluche, Sarah Austin Janess, Jennifer Hickson, Jordan Cardinale, Caledonia Cairns, Kate Tellers, Sarah Jane Johnson, and Patricia Ureña. Dave Laura came to us through the Moth's community program via a workshop that we held with veterans in media and entertainment. Moth stories are true as remembered and affirmed by the storytellers. Our theme music is by The Drift. Other music in this hour is from Epidemic Sound. Podcast music production support from Davey Sumner. The Moth Radio Hour is produced by Atlantic Public Media in Woods Hole, Massachusetts. Special thanks to our friends at Odyssey, including executive producer Leah Reese Dennis. For more about our podcast, for information on pitching us your own story, and to learn all about The Moth, go to our website, themoth.org.

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